Maken Waves wrote:the 086 is a large port head in oem cast. it boggles my mind a bit that the 086 seems like the easiest way to get a hi-flow head.
i havent done a side by side comparison yet but i im under the impression that theres more to be had out of the 096 head then the ld9 also. ill be the first one to know once i get both of them flow benched though.
mike
i make neons and j-bodys go fast
And with the beginning of a new week...
"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"
its done! im gonna go pick it up in about an hour here and ill have the numbers up on my lunch break at work tonight. he said he tried to call me on thursday but no answer, thats my bad cause i got a new phone number about 3 weeks ago and i never updated him on that. man im nervous on what these numbers are gonna be.......... i always get like this on my first set of numbers for a new head.
mike
i make neons and j-bodys go fast
WHERES THE 2200 PORTED HEAD????lol. show some pushrod love!!!
ok first off i want to get this out before the numbers.........
im very impressed with the flow numbers of these intake ports in stock form with stock valve job. that being said they are a bit harder to get more flow out of being that they are already flow so well in stock form. the max increase on the intake side was 20 cfm not bad but i was hoping for about 30-35cfm. the exhaust is whole other story. u can tell those stock ports are not going to flow much but once i gave them that well needed port work it really allowed them to flow more, alot more (vs stock of course) i picked up 58cfm on the exhaust at max lift. also incase some people are wondering why the stock head has more flow down low its because there is more velocity there because of the smaller cross sectional area so it will move the air faster and ultimatley it will move a little more because of that. but once the flow requirment is met (in this case .200" lift on both sides) to take use of the ported ports u can see they start to flow more, especially in the case of the exhaust ports where u see max potential at basically .300" lift in stock form...... at that point its just choking the engine pretty much. anyways heres the much anticipated numbers..........
INTAKE-
lift--------stock----ported
.050"----61.7-----45.7
.100"----105.3----93.3
.150"----140.5----137.2
.200"----173.6----177.0
.250"----204.2----212.3
.300"----232.0----240.5
.350"----252.3----244.7
.400"----264.8----279.6
.450"----274.5----292.1
.500"----279.5----300.2
EXHAUST-
lift--------stock----ported
.050"----42.3-----34.2
.100"----80.3-----69.1
.150"----110.1---103.1
.200"----129.6---132.6
.250"----137.3---156.8
.300"----140.7---178.0
.350"----142.0---190.4
.400"----143.0---195.4
.450"----143.0---198.5
.500"----142.7---200.1
and newt ill hit u up when i get home
mike
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i make neons and j-bodys go fast
I knew the intake was already pretty big but im glad to see that the exhaust can be drastically increased. I know itll be a while coming but I cant wait to see the difference in the 086 head.
NICE job man!!! its good to see the fruits of ur labor, yes?
interesting... i always thought it didnt matter what flow bench you run on as they are all calibrated to the exact same specs (so my machinist says...)
ive got numbers for a head i had done a couple years ago and it did lower numbers in stock form. however, its pretty much dead nuts on and shows that yours flows better up top, but mine does down low. so, that does show velocity was effected, right?
anyways, here's the numbers i had for mine. it was a mild port job so its pretty much right on where it should be i think...
stock intake: ...................
ported intake:
@ .100-79.5 CFM ............. @ .100- 87.2 CFM
@ .200- 138.2 CFM .......... @ .200-156 CFM
@ .300- 211.8 CFM .......... @ .300-229 CFM
@ 400-247.1 CFM ............ @ .400 267 CFM
stock exhaust ..................
ported exhaust:
@ .100- 69.3 CFM ............ @ .100- 71.5 CFM
@ .200- 122.4 CFM .......... @ .200- 134 CFM
@ .300- 134.1 CFM .......... @ .300- 157 CFM
@ .400- 137.5 .................. @ .400- 163 CFM
@ .500- 137.5 CFM .......... @ .500 169 CFM
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If it takes forever.... I will die trying. Underdog Racing
Nice numbers Mike!
If someone gets me cam specs I can run this in Desktop Dyno like I said I would, I just don't have any cam specs.
What I'm really surprised about is that the Eco head outflows the LD9 head, mind you slightly. I would of thought for sure the LD9 head would of flowed more.
Either way, great numbers Mike!
Since the numbers are similar to that of the Eco head, I would expect with a similer cam, this motor could make up to 260-270bhp with this head and 11:1 CR.
Call me skeptical (or insert random adjective/anatomical part), but do you have scans of charts? Or do we just trust that this was really done?
"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"
of course it was really done, u really think i would think i just make up the numbers???
mike
i make neons and j-bodys go fast
Dave De Stefano wrote:WHERES THE 2200 PORTED HEAD????lol. show some pushrod love!!!
send me one and ill do it to it.
mike
i make neons and j-bodys go fast
newt wrote:Nice numbers Mike!
If someone gets me cam specs I can run this in Desktop Dyno like I said I would, I just don't have any cam specs.
What I'm really surprised about is that the Eco head outflows the LD9 head, mind you slightly. I would of thought for sure the LD9 head would of flowed more.
Either way, great numbers Mike!
Since the numbers are similar to that of the Eco head, I would expect with a similer cam, this motor could make up to 260-270bhp with this head and 11:1 CR.
I realize Im running an 086 head but I want to see whats capable with the LD9 head...my cam specs are:
Intake
dur 215@50
lift .439
centerline 108
exhaust
dur 210@50
lift 410
centerline 112
LSA 110
overlap 31
I am also running a 70mm throttle body and 11.37-1 compression and a 1 3/" primary header...not sure if you need all that or not.
john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:Call me skeptical (or insert random adjective/anatomical part), but do you have scans of charts? Or do we just trust that this was really done?
If you were not such a great guy, or the fact that I like you Gary, this would be so tempting.....
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
i think gary of all people deserves the scan if you have it...
newt wrote:Nice numbers Mike!
If someone gets me cam specs I can run this in Desktop Dyno like I said I would, I just don't have any cam specs.
What I'm really surprised about is that the Eco head outflows the LD9 head, mind you slightly. I would of thought for sure the LD9 head would of flowed more.
Either way, great numbers Mike!
Since the numbers are similar to that of the Eco head, I would expect with a similer cam, this motor could make up to 260-270bhp with this head and 11:1 CR.
run some W41 cams at 11:1 compression.
specs
219 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the intake
219 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the exhaust
thanks buddy!
gmanz24 (The Bash Whore) wrote:newt wrote:Nice numbers Mike!
If someone gets me cam specs I can run this in Desktop Dyno like I said I would, I just don't have any cam specs.
What I'm really surprised about is that the Eco head outflows the LD9 head, mind you slightly. I would of thought for sure the LD9 head would of flowed more.
Either way, great numbers Mike!
Since the numbers are similar to that of the Eco head, I would expect with a similer cam, this motor could make up to 260-270bhp with this head and 11:1 CR.
run some W41 cams at 11:1 compression.
specs
219 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the intake
219 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the exhaust
thanks buddy!
don't you need more than just that though? won't ivo, evo, and lsa be needed at least?
Those numbers will make it more accurate, I can substitute for those tho.
If you have those specs it would help, if not I can still run it.
I'll get on that tomorrow night guys!
tomorrow?! you were foaming at the mouth for a month for these numbers, newt! get on it!
If it takes forever.... I will die trying. Underdog Racing
john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:Hmmm,I'm pretty sure I sent an e-mail and I know in the past Paypal sends an e-mail notifying that you recieved money. So for now I'll remain a little skeptical. When you scan and post clearly marked (LD9) and dated flow charts we should be all cleared up.
ammfab wrote:oh i was waiting for a pm from u on here, i never check my email, ill get it to the flow bench this week and ill see if i can get some pics of it on the bench for ya too.
mike
Maybe I'm to old school, but your only as good as your word.
"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"
so did u get my pm from erlier or no gary, how come u never respond when i pm u???
for everybody else though, i told gary i would pm him the pics of the flow sheets. i took the pics before work but didnt get them online because my interent was being a bitch. ill be sure to do this when i get home so people dont start to think im lying about this as they probably already think im not trustworthy because of the whole money for the flow bench situation.
mike
i make neons and j-bodys go fast
idk i just think since gary paid for it, i dont see the problem with him asking, i mean he took a good leap of faith. im not doubting you at all, but you have to look at it from his point. it just left a bad taste seeing how it all went down. but im glad you can step up and fix it. thats all that matters.
