JLAudioCavalier wrote:Jesus dude! Jesus!!! DUDE!! Lol whatever you say, chief! How much lighter do you think the 1.4t is than that 1.8? I bet they are within less than 50lbs of each other. That's pretty fkn stupid reasoning when you are talking about an n/a 4-cyl vs a turbo 4-cyl. If they were replacing a V6 that logic would fit better. And it addresses none of the points I made above. In any case, it doesn't really matter to me. In my eyes GM now has the corvette and the camaro to modify for real power. They seem to have excluded themselves from what we would consider 4-cylinder power with these entries. 42 mpg highway is nice though; that is a big accomplishment.oldskool (eco meatcake) wrote:Skilz10179 wrote:I just read 6 pages of people complaining about an economy car that only makes 138hp lol. Its a @!#$in economy car, get over it! Its decent looking, gets 42 mpg, turbocharged, great warranty, 6 speed manual, under $20K, what's not to like? I'm in the market for a new car and this is the only american car that even interests me, props to gm!Um, the fact that it's turbocharged does not in itself make it great. My gripe is there is just no excuse for not being well above 100hp/L on a turbocharged 4-cylinder. There are plenty of n/a engines out there with better specific output that also achieve decent fuel mileage. 138-hp may be adequate for the job, but (in my opinion), if they go through the cost and engineering to turbocharge this powerplant, why not competitively more? Would 170-180hp really be so hard? Would it affect highway gas mileage? Would it affect price? Would it differentiate the 1.4t model more significantly from the base 1.8 n/a model? That's where I was coming from.
THE ONLY REASON FOR A TURBO ON A 4 CYLINDER IS NOT FOR POWER, RICER MINDED PUTZ. Jesus dude.. You know the manufacturers do that to have a lightweight motor with good gas mileage, right?
Jookycola wrote:Jeremy I drove one a week or so ago while my Cobalt was getting serviced. You're going to be SERIOUSLY disappointed in it after driving it. On paper it all sounds good. In pictures it looks appealing. But it's seriously, seriously lacking any power at all. And I'm not talking tuner, blasting off from stop light power...I'm saying usable power. The car is the most severely underpowered car I've ever driven, ever. Please let us know what you thought of it though, I'm curious what your thoughts about it are man.
GM_Mike wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I though only the ECO models with the turbos came with the 6 speed manuals?
GM_Mike wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I though only the ECO models with the turbos came with the 6 speed manuals?
oldskool (eco meatcake) wrote:I have no doubt that the interior quality is amazing, and that the price for features and quality you are getting is great. Fuel mileage is also a huge plus. But Jooky's review is exactly what i'm talking about. In terms of acceleration it probably feels like an eco jbody with four extra passengers. I'm very much looking forward to more reviews from you guys.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
Cruze Eco vs. hybrids
Model
EPA City Fuel Economy
EPA Highway Fuel Economy
Price
Chevrolet Cruze Eco
28 mpg
42 mpg
$18,895
Ford Fusion Hybrid
41 mpg
36 mpg
$27,950
Nissan Altima Hybrid
35 mpg
33 mpg
$26,780
Toyota Camry Hybrid
33 mpg
34 mpg
$26,150
Stephen wrote:gm is good at faking the "look" of interior quality.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Another update from GM:
-New model to build on global success of Chevrolet's favorite car
-Cruze hatchback cements Chevrolet's mainstream credentials in Europe
-One of seven new entries in centenary year
Zurich. Chevrolet's award-winning – and now World Touring Car Championship (WTCC)-winning – Cruze will further enhance its credentials this year when the new hatchback version goes on sale in spring. The full production model makes its world premiere at the 81st international Geneva Motor Show, March 3 – 11.
The timing of the new model couldn't be better for Chevrolet, with the manufacturer being crowned World Touring Car Champions in December for the first time. Chevrolet's racing success proves the dynamic potential and qualities of the Cruze, while the launch of a new 5-door hatchback model in addition to the sedan, is further evidence of Chevrolet's intention to bring value for money to the mainstream segments of the European market.
A show car version of Chevrolet's compact contender was shown at the Paris Motor Show last September, and was warmly received.
Sales of the Cruze last year surpassed the Aveo to become Chevrolet's top selling passenger car nameplate globally. Since its launch in the spring 2009, the Cruze sedan has been warmly welcomed by markets all over the world, greeted as a step change for the brand with customers attracted to its coupe style, build quality, 5-star NCAP rating and driving dynamics. It was also elected the AUTOBEST car of 2010 by a jury of leading auto writers in Central and Eastern Europe.
The introduction of the new Cruze hatchback is critical in Europe, as Wayne Brannon, president and managing director of Chevrolet Europe explains. "Hatchbacks play a critical role in many markets. The total compact segment in Europe represents over a quarter of the total market, with hatchbacks representing around 65% of that volume.
"The new Cruze hatchback cements that Chevrolet's claim for a place among the mainstream brands in Europe, and it's a vehicle that will bring new levels of value against some of the more established competition."
Hatchback design
With its attractive sweeping coupe roofline and short overhangs at both the front and rear, the new Cruze hatchback has the same dynamic 'stance' as the sedan and will be instantly recognizable.
It will benefit too from the same taut body 'feel' on the road, being built using the new body-frame integral system (BFI) which is complemented by the final tuning to chassis components. The BFI system results in high levels of stability and solidity. Indeed the Chevrolet Cruze is a car particularly well suited to European driver tastes, a fact borne out by sales across many of the markets and where in 2010, it exceeded forecasts.
Cargo capacity for the Cruze hatchback is close to 400 liters and it will feature 60/40 split rear seating.
The new Chevrolet Cruze 5-door hatchback will go on sale across Europe in mid 2011 with prices announced nearer the launch date.
Joe Schulte wrote:How in the hell would that make it golden when the baby Eco it has produces the same horsepower, get's better MPG, and can produce more horsepower for less money.Are you referring to the fact that you can tune the 1.4t for some more power? I agree that is cheap, but what about when you get the urge for over 200hp? LOL.
Joe Schulte wrote:How in the hell would that make it golden when the baby Eco it has produces the same horsepower, get's better MPG, and can produce more horsepower for less money.
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1.4Lt Ecotec I4 - 138 horsepower and 148 lb.-ft. of torque
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2.2 L Ecotec LAP I4 - 155 hp and 150 lb.·ft. of torque