Take Back the Republican Party wrote:Quiklilcav wrote:I have an honest curiosity as to how many people voted as he did that now regret the decision.
And you have your answer...one less than you would wish.
Living in a rarefied world that's a 24-7 (tea) party about how "Right" the Extreme Right is...yes, this limited exposure tends to warp one's perceptions in this fashion. You can't help it...your programming is complete. For you, reality is is merely a nuisance foisted upon you by others who choose not to see it your way. Yes, ridicule and chastise them, for it's likely to be the only satisfaction coming your way.
November's gonna suck for you 
well until the right gets back into office then it will just be reversed.
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The time draws near.
Presidential approval ratings historically have dropped with EVERY president, most pronounced with ones swept in on waves of euphoria like this one...but that doesn't serve your hateful, vindictive agenda, so you tend to try to forget that. At least, you never mention it, and I well know you'd prefer that this bothersome little fact not get in the way of your rhetoric.
The Congress will remain in Democratic hands after this election. I say that not because I want it to. I say it because it is the truth. It is the truth because the Extreme Team you so blindly support has done a sh!t job of moving the actual masses.
Most of the public knows that the current administration got it stuck in their eye by the previous one. That's why they voted the last a55holes out of office, and they're smart enough to realize that the indulgence and incompetence of an entire decade can't be wiped clean in less than two years.
Don't believe me. Frankly, no one (least of all me) cares if you believe me. The truth is coming...and I doubt it will set you free, but it will set you on your a55.
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Most of the public knows that the current administration got it stuck in their eye by the previous one. That's why they voted the last a55holes out of office, and they're smart enough to realize that the indulgence and incompetence of an entire decade can't be wiped clean in less than two years.
Most of the people know that? How's that? Despite W's spending spree and the iraq/afghan war, it was something else that caused the sudden shift in public opinion towards W.
I am not convinced the republicans will win enough house eletions to unseat madame pelosi, and more unlikely that they'll take the senate. However, I am convinced that Obama has had his last Supreme Court justice confirmed, and will no longer be able to count on olympia snowe, lindsey graham to gain "bipartisan support" for his agenda driven policies. Obama's dreams will die on the vine.
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hard to say what will happen. i'll wait till the votes are counted rather then blanketly saying which side lost. there are allot of factors. allot such as allot of people who came out of the woodwork to vote obama in becoming dissalusioned because the world didnt suddenly become a better place after election. those type people might not even bother coming out this time.
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Kevin Trudeau wrote:Quote:
Most of the public knows that the current administration got it stuck in their eye by the previous one. That's why they voted the last a55holes out of office, and they're smart enough to realize that the indulgence and incompetence of an entire decade can't be wiped clean in less than two years.
Most of the people know that? How's that? Despite W's spending spree and the iraq/afghan war, it was something else that caused the sudden shift in public opinion towards W.
Well, in the first place, he was elected. That was the first example of a majority, or
"most".
As for today, two years later: I still believe that the majority (
most) of the public understand that the nation's economic ills were not caused by the current administration, no matter what Tea Party and other alleged "patriots" (I just have to giggle every time I see them prostitute that word, lol!) have doped themselves into believing. Fortunately, these extremists remain a minority, highly vocal but not powerful enough to subvert the wishes of the majority (another
"most" ). As I predicted, these extremist interests have ripped away the GOP's much-ballyhooed (but now apparently failed) attempt to wrest back control of Congress.
The majority has spoken, and will speak again at the polls...all projections are for the GOP to not regain control of Congress. That's all the proof of "
most" that you will ever need.
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ehhh. as said above most presidents if not all presidents approval ratings drop. its because there are allot of ignorant people that blindly believe someone will get elected and wave a magical wand over all there problems and all will be fixed. as for placing the blame. the seating president always gets the blame wether its his mess or someone elses. no diffrent then when the econemy was tanking with bush first got into office there were people on here blaming bush for the bad econemy a month after he first went into office. i asked her why she felt that way and she said just because its him in office. that was her reasoning for the econemy crashing. when your the man at the top your going to get the blame.
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Take Back the Republican Party wrote:I'm on MY side.
what more really needs be said?
i think members of each party see problems within their own parties these days (probly any days for that matter). so why bother choosing one?
blucavvy wrote:Take Back the Republican Party wrote:I'm on MY side.
what more really needs be said?
i think members of each party see problems within their own parties these days (probly any days for that matter). so why bother choosing one?
I think at the end of the day, there's not much difference between a republican or democrat
so come on...we really wanted to see the first black African American win the presidential election world wide!!
spoiler wrote:blucavvy wrote:Take Back the Republican Party wrote:I'm on MY side.
what more really needs be said?
i think members of each party see problems within their own parties these days (probly any days for that matter). so why bother choosing one?
I think at the end of the day, there's not much difference between a republican or democrat
so come on...we really wanted to see the first black African American win the presidential election world wide!!
Well said. Although those who suffer from ideological and/or racial hatred are loathe to admit it, the USA made leaps and bounds in the opinions of the world when this event occurred. For those who are unable and/or unwilling to see past our borders, this may not have much import. That is their burden, to not understand. However, as the perceptions of the world do indeed have quite an effect on our nation's future and our prosperity, I say it was a badly needed shot-in-the-arm. Thank God for this wonderful effect of the Obama victory.
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Take Back the Republican Party wrote:Kevin Trudeau wrote:Quote:
Most of the public knows that the current administration got it stuck in their eye by the previous one. That's why they voted the last a55holes out of office, and they're smart enough to realize that the indulgence and incompetence of an entire decade can't be wiped clean in less than two years.
Most of the people know that? How's that? Despite W's spending spree and the iraq/afghan war, it was something else that caused the sudden shift in public opinion towards W.
Well, in the first place, he was elected. That was the first example of a majority, or "most".
As for today, two years later: I still believe that the majority (most) of the public understand that the nation's economic ills were not caused by the current administration, no matter what Tea Party and other alleged "patriots" (I just have to giggle every time I see them prostitute that word, lol!) have doped themselves into believing. Fortunately, these extremists remain a minority, highly vocal but not powerful enough to subvert the wishes of the majority (another "most" ). As I predicted, these extremist interests have ripped away the GOP's much-ballyhooed (but now apparently failed) attempt to wrest back control of Congress.
The majority has spoken, and will speak again at the polls...all projections are for the GOP to not regain control of Congress. That's all the proof of "most" that you will ever need.
Tee hee
How's the crow tasting this morning Bill? DEAD WRONG
All I hear are crickets chirping in the dead of night.
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“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
Hey, was out of town for a week, and am back now (y'all really should follow me on Facebook like my other fans do, lol!)
Frankly, the seismic shift that the extreme right predicted and/or hoped for did not occur, so no...no crow eating to speak of. Before it became apparent that they could not pull it off, Republicans had predicted full control of Congress. Now, they've achieved half of that goal. In most standards of accomplishment, 50% rates an "F". However, the Republican party did make progress, and with many moderate candidates, which I applaud. A number of extreme rightwingers were defeated, which I also applaud.
The extreme righties may feel that the moderate Republicans who were elected are a victory they can share in...and they are mistaken. In reality, this is a victory shared instead by moderate American voters like myself who have primarily aligned themselves with the Republican party. Extremists may "claim" it, but moderates came out on top, and thank God. I know many who swing hard right were hoping for so much more, so yes...it still sucks for the extreme right to to fall so far short of their expectations. It was not the outcome they wished for. As an aside, at no time did I say the outcome would be an utter GOP stall.
That being said, I am not displeased. With any luck, the fact that the House is now in Republican hands (an outcome we all knew was practically assured prior to the election) may actually lead to something other than constant bickering, and some real consensus can finally be reached. Of course, this is not assured, but at least now it has a working chance, whereas before it was hopelessly lost in rhetoric that was, at times, completely ridiculous.
I still have very little faith in the current two-party system, for it promotes divisiveness and indecision. The outcomes of the last two elections are ample proof. The electorate appears to be utterly confused. They voted for hope and change in 2008, and when the new guys could not change things fast enough, they did exactly the same thing again in 2010. It's a repeating pattern that leaves little room for any actual change to occur, and mostly just fuels more partisanship. With a more balanced Congress, I would hope that we can achieve some results now, and can get down to the hard work of making improvements that are not based on party catchphrases but on real cooperation...but forgive me if I remain cynical!
As per my forum name, is the Republican party now on firmer ground, and in more moderate hands now? I sincerely hope so. Time will tell. I'm hopeful, but cautious, and really pray that the extremism can take a back seat to real cooperation.
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No, you may wish to dance on a perceived "victory" over me, but I think everything I've said runs true to my original statements. Sure, I may have expressed more vitriol then, lol...but as I've mentioned all along, moderate republican victories are what I've desired. It's this extremist "patriot" stuff you spew without compromise that so many of us in the middle find offensive, and counterproductive.
You are incorrect...I give good credit! Read my post again, but as an outsider this time, not as someone with blood in his eyes. Sure, I may give credit to less wingnutty effects and outcomes than YOU do, but that's your problem in perception, not mine. I believe my views to be more representative of the average American than yours are. If you continue to perceive me as a leftist, you continue to miss the point. I don't blindly cheerlead the current administration. I merely try to not view it only through an extreme-right lens.
I don't agree that more moderates lost than ultra-cons. I don't think you can prove that point.
Your closing comment about "patriotic principles" is typical, and typically self-serving, but alas...to be expected. I still find such claims disingenuous, and feel they are an attempt to hijack people's minds and national pride to serve a political purpose. Shame on you for being that manipulative.
I too hope that the changes wrought by this election can be evident by 2012. I doubt that they can be, however...I remain pessimistic about the long-term damage done to the nation over the previous decade. As this damage took much longer than two years to create, so it will take much longer than two years to correct. If the voters remain as fickle and easily led as they've proven themselves to be in these last two elections, then miracles need to occur or the bloodlust to "toss the bums out" will continue. I'm no fan of contonuous incumbency, but if the electorate doesn't develop a spine, and stick to something for more than one two-year congressional term, then this will be a game of eternal Pong...a game we will ALL lose.
LowFire wrote:Take Back the Republican Party wrote:Kevin Trudeau wrote:Quote:
Most of the public knows that the current administration got it stuck in their eye by the previous one. That's why they voted the last a55holes out of office, and they're smart enough to realize that the indulgence and incompetence of an entire decade can't be wiped clean in less than two years.
Most of the people know that? How's that? Despite W's spending spree and the iraq/afghan war, it was something else that caused the sudden shift in public opinion towards W.
Well, in the first place, he was elected. That was the first example of a majority, or "most".
As for today, two years later: I still believe that the majority (most) of the public understand that the nation's economic ills were not caused by the current administration, no matter what Tea Party and other alleged "patriots" (I just have to giggle every time I see them prostitute that word, lol!) have doped themselves into believing. Fortunately, these extremists remain a minority, highly vocal but not powerful enough to subvert the wishes of the majority (another "most" ). As I predicted, these extremist interests have ripped away the GOP's much-ballyhooed (but now apparently failed) attempt to wrest back control of Congress.
The majority has spoken, and will speak again at the polls...all projections are for the GOP to not regain control of Congress. That's all the proof of "most" that you will ever need.
Tee hee
How's the crow tasting this morning Bill? DEAD WRONG
Tee hee indeed.
As I and the polls projected, the GOP did not
regain control of Congress. They share it with The Democrats now, each with one house. You do know how that works, right?
Take Back the Republican Party wrote:
As I and the polls projected, the GOP did not
regain control of Congress. They share it with The Democrats now, each with one house. You do know how that works, right?
I almost forgot, you so quickly forget your own words, even when they're posted on the very same page. You did not predict that they would not regain control, you predicted that the Democrats would retain control. You merely mentioned that the projections were that the GOP wouldn't gain it. Now I'm sure you're going to call this splitting hairs, but I would bet on most people around here seeing right through any attempt at back pedaling from this one. You predicted and you were wrong.
To quote McCain's concession speech in 08, "the American people have spoken, and they have spoken clearly." Make no mistake about it, this was a clear shot across the bow to the radical liberal agenda that's been pushed over the last two years in an opportunistic fashion at the expense of the millions of people who want nothing more than the chance to rebuild their lives, rather than seeing everything they worked for flushed down the sh!tter so that they can live on meager government hand-outs.
No, I predicted that the Republicans would not be able to gain both houses due to extremist mistakes like Christine O'Connell. THAT has been my point all along, that the Republicans could have made even greater gains if only the extremist voices were softer. This has been and remains my contention, and the results bear my opinion out. The Republican party could well have taken control of BOTH houses of Congress right now had it not embraced extremist views quite so much.
I know you are euphoric over the gains, and rightly so, even though they fall short of what was desired for the GOP. Whether you are capable of realizing it or not, I am also happy at the result, for it not only better balances the Congress and strengthens the GOP, it also supports my contention that extremist voices are causing damage. Additionally, the pendulum inevitably swings back and forth. Probably due to the gushing embrace of Obama in the 2008 election, more Dems got elected on his coattails via straight party ticket ballots cast. So, we now see the inevitable correction. This is a good thing, for as I've ALSO noted all along, a drastically weakened Republican party is not good for the nation.
Is this election result the sign of a huge actual shift? I remain skeptical, for even with this correction, things are still pretty evenly split. Even now, the Democrats still hold most of the cards, as they control both the White House and one of the two houses of Congress.
As to the governors races: You are most premature in your accounting of 20 and 30 governors, for two races remain unsettled, and one just was settled. Minnesota and Connecticut are likely to swing Dem before this is over, and Illinois only just now announced it will retain its Dem governor Quinn in what proved to be a very close race. This hilarious putz was Blagoyevich's lieutenant governor, and inherited the post when Blago was deposed. He's lucky to have even gotten the nod, much less to have won. With Chicago (which controls Illinois politics) being a Dem stronghold, even this lackey proved electable.
Even if we do end up with 20 states with Dem governors and 30 with GOP, this is also not unusual. It is also historically consistent, for most of the Democratic voter base is concentrated in the large metro areas (such as Chicago, see above) in a small number of states. Indeed, the bulk of States themselves have tended to swing right, but the bulk of actual population does not. This is explainable by the fact that many states have very small rural populations (i.e.: Idaho, the Dakotas, Alaska, et al). Do yourself a sobering favor...check the populations and demographics of the individual states, and see for yourself. 30 of 50 states does not a true majority make.
Once the governor's races are all actually complete, we'll revisit your contention of 20 and 30 and see if it holds true.
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Bill, could you specify exactly which extremist views of the right, that you keep talking about. Not a mindset, I want to know what views/issues they were espousing, that you deem extremist.
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The Tea Party is an effective example of the extreme right agenda. I'm confident you're familiar with that set of views.
Please bear in mind the effective meaning of the term "extreme". It is not used as an epithet, or an insult. It is an adjective that, when used in terms of political description, indicates something well to the right or left of center. In between the extreme edges and the actual center are many shades of right or left leaning.
You may not perceive it as such, but I am a right-leaning centrist (or moderate). I am troubled by the extreme right movement.
Such is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, no matter how misguided I may find it to be. I made thoughtful, considered replies here, and you just relentlessly attack. So allow me to lower myself to wallow in the muck you clearly prefer over honest dialogue:
Your alleged "facts" are little more than party platforms you gobble up and spew forth like manna from heaven. Additonally, you are not an "us"...you are a "you".
As for "proving" anything, all YOU prove is your utter inflexibility when I ask for compromise and open-mindedness during these times of dire need for our nation. You will continue to never consider what might be achieved if you didn't just goose-step to the beat of those who have you firmly in their grasp. May God have mercy, and not allow our nation to be consumed by your ilk.
