I know that an intake is just an intake, but everybody that writes reviews for any intake makes a huge deal about it. I notice no difference at all, except it's more noisy inside the car, which isn't exactly a bad thing. Am I the only one who feels that way, or is everybody who makes a big deal about intakes on drugs?
Its a small difference, if anything. I noticed it on my 2200, on the top end, and the throttle response was a little quicker...
minimally quicker
Yeah, I realize we're talking like 5 hp difference at the most, but I don't notice anything. In fact, lately my car seems to be slower. Could just need a tune up though. As far as throttle response goes, it seems a little slower to me as well, but when I rev it, it could just be the noise from the air getting sucked in that makes me feel like it's taking a longer time to get going. I don't know, was hoping that the intake would satisfy me for a few weeks before I wanted to do a little more, but looks like it hasn't.
if you do a full exhaust you will notice the effects of your intake a little bit better... full intake and exhaust still wont give you huge gains. but right now you are basicaly opening up the air flow into the engine, but the flow out of the engine is the same... you can pour into a funnel as fast as you want, but the size of the hole at the end of the funnel will only alow so much flow. without upping the back end, the front end can only feed so much.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:not funny... i just can't find that funny... not with 2 copies of the Candyland board game on your shelf.
Yeah, I understand what you're talking about, and I guess I just never really thought about it in relation to my car, so much as just in theory
I'd eventually like to boost, and boost it good, so I don't know if I'd want to get a 2.25" exhaust just to go to 3" later, or just wait until after boosting to get a 3" once.
I agree COMPLETELY
I've done bolt ons and power gains are extremely minor IF you can even feel any difference.
I have always felt people WAY over exagerate gains, especialy on things like... noise doesn't mean power.
Hell I was disappointed the first time I sprayed a 35 shot of nitrous
I think the O/P is referring to what is commonly referred to as "butt dyno"
"A device which implements a human being's rear-end to report a vehicle's performance in acceleration or engine power."
Since everyone's perception of things is different, of course there's going to be some level of variations in the responses of a particular product..
I know that I'm guilty of it.
thats because you dont have a tornado
its been said that it takes a minimum of 5-10 hp for someone to actually feel a diffrence. i think 99% of the people here the louder sound and it sounds more impressive so they tend to believe its faster even though in reality they can't really tell you a diffrence. psycological is really the right word for it. ive heard people who change their spark plugs and rave about how much faster their car is or wires or some other things that may make 1hp diffrence if at all. the sound does have allot to do with it.
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Good, I'm glad it's not just me. Was beginning to think I didn't do it right. Hopefully a jump in 35 horsepower would do something for me though, otherwise I'd feel numb
StrippedCav98 (Now Quotable) wrote:thats because you dont have a tornado
Ah, that might be it. Now just to order five of them and line them up sequentially.
where i usually merge onto the express way, stock I could hit 70 mph just as i approached the bridge, now when I did intake and 2.5" cat back, i can hit 75 mph in the same spot, just something I do for referance since you always cant feel the gains
Maybe I should race a stock eco cavi, and see if I pull on it slightly
No two cars are the same.
Thats true, i used to own a 96 mustang gt. a buddy of mine had the same car with the same mods and i ran him everytime. he would get super pissed. i shifted at 120 and pulled away like he was off the gas. and we weighed the same so that wasnt a factor
nick wrote:Thats true, i used to own a 96 mustang gt. a buddy of mine had the same car with the same mods and i ran him everytime. he would get super pissed. i shifted at 120 and pulled away like he was off the gas. and we weighed the same so that wasnt a factor
should we congratulate you for going 120 on public roads or something? grow up and get off the road. /end
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:not funny... i just can't find that funny... not with 2 copies of the Candyland board game on your shelf.
Every bit helps, right? The effects of the intake vs. stock may not be all that exciting, but an intake should be matched with a better flowing exhaust system. Then you will feel it a little more than if you just got one or the other, and better than the feeling of both combined would be expected from it. In short, It's more beneficial if you increase air flow on all aspects.
Of course the reviewers are going to give the product more praise than if you were just to talk to someone off the street who installed it and drove around for a bit, because they're paid to do these reviews, and the more money they are paid, the better the review they'll give. Enough money could make a review of a Chevette sound like it's a Ferrari (of course, who would ever review Chevettes for a living, and who would pay some one that much money, but you get the idea). It's a sad truth, but that's how the media works. After that, the review comes down to dyno numbers. Then, somewhere, usually on the last three lines, you get the editor's opinion.
At least, that's my experience.
2010 Honda Fit LX
its pretty lame how much hype people will give over such a little gain. i never really felt much of a difference on my intake until i put my exhaust on. but still its not too much to brag about.
Silly ricer, useless wings are for penguins.
The intake is only going to do so much.. you're only making it easier for the car to suck in air, not necessarily blow it out. The exhaust will help, but then again so will a port and polish, higher lift on the valves....
The tone of the car is different when you put an intake on, w/e.
I happen to know that the difference between really worn coils and good coils is 6 tenths of a second in the quarter and I couldn't feel a difference at all (exept for the car running better).
I recently modded my aftermarket exaust to quiet it down, and to me the car feels faster, it's probably in my head, but the exaust is also tuned better for the car too so you never know. I just thought it was funny that less noise gives me the impression that my cars faster when with most people it's always the other way around.
Whenever I supercharge my car... the sound of the blower will probably make me think my car is faster too
I rode in a car with a GMSC today (03 Supercharged... man that thing pulled) and although he doesn't know it yet... he pretty much sold me on getting a GMSC for my 2.4 whenever I can scrape up the cash.
weebel u do know the gmsc for the 2.4 u have and the 2.2 eco josh had are a totally different charger. u should have asked jason with the black trd kitted cav to ride in his since he has the 2.4 and the gmsc.
Ya gary.. I know it's different..... if anyone would have cought that it would be you
(thats actually meant as a compliment btw)
Assuming that I can make my car as fast as I want with the 2.4 version of the GMSC on it... I'de like to do it..... I just can't get over how cool it was too hear the sound of the blower sucking all that air in. I'de love it if my car sounded like that... plus I wouldn't have to worry about hacking up my exaust to install a turbo. I could also always just run a smaller pully to up the boost to where I want it. (after making sure that car can handle it of course)
Besides.. from what I've been told... Jason is still having troubles making his car run right, and my car is actually faster than his at the moment (If I'm wrong... thats just what everyone was telling me).. so riding in his car wouldn't really be a fair test until he works the bugs out.
The only reason I rode in Josh's car was because he wanted to check out my Gtech on his car, but after hearing the thing from the inside.... I'm kinda hooked on the blower idea although I have to fix some other stuff first and god knows when I'll have the cash.
Just watch... when I finally get the money,,, I'll get pulled over and get a loud engine ticket... just wait and see.
I've been told, and correct me if I'm wrong, just trying to verify, that if you go with a bigger, less restrictive exhaust system, you lose more back pressure, and in turn lose a lot of your torque, with the 2200 anyway. When you are only pushing 115 out of a stocker 2200, or 120 with an intake, that 135 of torque has to be a major plus. My exhaust detached from the cat-back one night, and the Cav felt really boggy (as in not a lot of haul) when you got on the gas espcially noticable while climbing a hill.
Noise doesn't make horsepower.... but horsepower makes noise
The only way to know, 100% for sure without a doubt, how much power any mod makes - is to dyno it. Time wasted speculating is better spent, umm, masturbating
...j
^^ Yup... dynoing a car will let you know for sure... I like to go by 1/4 mile times myself...
Personally... I really dont car about horsepower numbers... all I care about is how fast I can get down the track, wich you can improve without adding horsepower to a point.
Sorry about throwing the thread off a little earlier. All I meant to say was that a trained ear can tell how much has been done to a car to make it faster (to a point).. but just because a car car sounds fast doesn't nessisarely mean it is. (than I got off track.. I need to work on not doing that).
