Finally got to dyno my car today and it was so dissapointing. This is all what i have done to it:
New Head with 3 angle valve job
Full port and polish (gained 30 cfm @.400 lift)
Stainless Steel valves from Karo
Ford 440cc injectors
Eagle H Beam Rods
Wiseco flat top 10 to 1 comp Pistons
SPEC stage 3 clutch
Fidanza Flywheel
Clevite 77 main / rod / cam bearings
Block bored over .040 to 90mm
Block Acid dipped and painted
Crankshaft polished / balanced
Aftermarket TACH with rksport adapter
NGK TR6 plugs
O2 simulator
NO cat
Full exhaust
Pacsetter Header
2.25 pipe
Motor mount insert and lower motor mount both from Karo
Trans mounts insert from Karo
Intake
K&N air filter


It put down an earth shattering 132hp and 143ft/lbs

What is wrong here?

So im done wasting money on this thing lol

I dont understand... I win alot of races with people that have cars that put down way more than that.



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tuning?



Desert Tuners

“When you come across a big kettle of crazy, it’s best not to stir it.”

For a 2.2 that is not bad at all.
You really do not have any MAJOR power adders, besides bigger and higher compression pistons. What did you really expect.


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Old Motor: 160whp & 152ft/lbs, 1/4 Mile 15.4 @88.2
M45 + LD9 + 4T40-E, GO GO GO

I really was hoping like at least 150hp lol but yea... True that i didnt spray in on the dyno but still i should have known that investing all that money in it was going to be a waste lol Im in the process now of doing the 3400 swap. Just wanted to get some numbers before the motor came out. Im still dissapointed tho...


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the biggest thing that would have helped is a cam .....

Philly D wrote:the biggest thing that would have helped is a cam .....

agreed.

you did alot of work, but really didnt increase the air as much as you could.....

tuning would def help

also you didnt really do anything for spark. you cant expect power if you arent getting complete combustion, especially with huge injectors.

running catless is actually proven to lose power, especially N/A

02 sims, while they keep the light off, if theres an imbalance with the first and second one, you wont necessarily throw a light/code, but you may actually go into limp mode.



out of that entire list, we already know port and polish only intensifies the effect of whatever you have done elsewhere in the engine. but the major things of air and spark, you neglected. you did good for what you had, considering a baseline dyno of a LN2 usually hovers around 86 WHP.... you basically made a gain of around 40whp....

and yet for 500$ more you could have had a cam and full msd setup........

dont take it personally, but you did invest alot of money, but overall, you still went at the project half arsed.... i dont mean that in a negative way towards you, but you left out THREE major components, especially if you were gonna run huge injectors.

tuning, cam, ignition amplifier.....


think about it.

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Yea it was fun while it lasted lol im just going to put that engine in a bone stock looking cavalier and put the 3400 in my nice one. Project is on the way as of today.


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-MD- LD9 wrote:For a 2.2 that is not bad at all.
You really do not have any MAJOR power adders, besides bigger and higher compression pistons. What did you really expect.

that's exactly what I was going to say, well said Mike.



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The cam and tuning have been mentioned, so I'll skip that lecture.

Nitrous Nate wrote:im just going to put that engine in a bone stock looking cavalier and put the 3400 in my nice one.

Sell me the engine instead




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster

Good numbers should be proud!!! A cam some tuning (heck just some tuning), and spray it. You should be good!!!



FU Tuning

According to Desktop Dyno, those numbers are about 23% under the flywheel best tuned numbers, which is a little bit low, but not too bad for untuned whp numbers. You also don't mention anything about if you bored your TB or not. If not, get a 2.3L TB and get you TB/upper plenum bored to match the 2.3L's TB plate. Also are you running stock rocker arms? You didn't mention this either. When you changed the injectors, did you do the spacer method? A 3/4" spacer seems to have helped my top end, I think it might help yours also. The plenum on these motors was designed for low to mid range torque, not upper rpm HP and more plenum volume should help. I feel the PaceSetter collector sucks, it's too short and too narrow. An aftermarket 4-1 1.5" in, 2.5" out X 8" long collector welded in place of the PS collector and atleast 2.5" down pipe, if not a whole 2.5" exhaust system would help alot.

The numbers make a decent jump, when you change the cam. Just switching to an equivalent to the Crane Powermax 2030 cam (this is a profile that can be reground on a stock cam) made a big difference. This profile will work with the stock valve springs when using a 1.5:1 rocker. With the 1.6:1 rockers, the exhaust lobe would be streatching the limits of the stock springs, but it could be done. This profile would work well with nitrous, due to the longer exhaust duration and greater lift. It doesn't hurt that the greater exhaust numbers help the N/A top end significantly also!

With the bottom end that you have and you do the LSx valve spring conversion with the LT1 hybrid lifters and tuning you could be pushing the 200+ whp barrier, before the nitrous! (Since you have to machine the valve spring seats, why not some custom made 1.811/+2mm intake valves!) With the powerband on that set-up, you'ld need to swap you differential gears, to like the Isuzu's 4.10:1 gears, to take full advantage of the power. Doing that you'ld have one hot little 2.2L OHV.

It's all a matter of matching up the components to work in the same powerband. You got alot of the major parts done, now it's time to do all the little detail parts, to finish the package.

wow, that's some really good info!!



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As much as I don't like the 2.2
I don't think you should scrap it.
Dude, you need a set of cams, and intake manifold and TB for another 40 whp. Do it.

Seriously.

Beau wrote:Dude, you need a set of cams

For someone who's so picky over terminology, I think slow should come in here and rip you a new one for suggesting he needs multiple cams...




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster

boost it.. problem sloved.. I put down 245hp and 260lbs on 10-11 psi on my 2200

Don't give up on it. You've been building this stupid thing forever. Finish it!

3400 swap is a much better route if you're really wanting to make some big power.

So Nate, what will become of your top feed converted manifold? If it goes for sale can I call dibs right now? Dibs for my roomie anyways, but he's bankrollin, so yeah. He needs this manifold haha. If it goes up for sale I'm calling it now, and I peed on it too.

those are good numbers for an LN2... especially the torque. your putting down quite a bit of power there.

to be honest with you,i would keep that motor.

get it tuned, get some higher ratio roller rockers, even without the cam you will increase your numbers pretty good.

everything you added to make bigger power (intake. injectors, etc.) is pointless without maximizing them with a tune. i would imagine you will put down a good 10-15% more power (maybe not at the wheels) with a good tune. if your going to cam the thing though, you might aswell tune after the cam. caming the motor is basically turning it into a completely different beast.

good numbers man, keep your chin up. youve got an underdog of a motor that can be a very reliable and powerful motor. id like to see your dyno sheets to see the power curve. peak numbers mean very little if your power curve looks like crap.

rob.



1997 RedR - ZedR

LN2 all the way Keep it. Finish it!

Man...if you had lowered compression a little bit and done some other minor mods (the cam, spark and tuning,) you could've run a nice big shot of nitrous on that motor and dyno'd out VERY respectfully. But even still...you gained a decent amount that could've been more with a few more angles addressed.

Nate... sooo much money invested only to throw it away! At least do yourself and that engine the honor of increasing lift to see what more lift will accomplish. You've made it halfway up the mountain and now you're quitting!

"For someone who's so picky over terminology, I think slow should come in here and rip you a new one for suggesting he needs multiple cams..."
LOL... last time he accused me of being the kind of person who misquotes the bible. I'm wonder what conspiracy I'll get thrown into this time around.

-->Slow

Agent Omega wrote:Man...if you had lowered compression a little bit and done some other minor mods (the cam, spark and tuning,) you could've run a nice big shot of nitrous on that motor and dyno'd out VERY respectfully. But even still...you gained a decent amount that could've been more with a few more angles addressed.

He can still run a nice shot of juice on this motor.



FU Tuning

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Who makes a cam for these motors?


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