hey everyone im new to this site ive seen some of the best looking cavaliers on here and i love it, signing up was the best thing ever and alot of help comes from reading yalls posts and replies on different topics. just wanted to know if anyone has tried the stage 1 comp cams on their 2.2 eco im looking into getting these from allecotec.com real soon but want to know of the outcomes as far as noticing any power gains and what the idle is like on these cams. any info is much appreciated thanks
We have been the first ones to sell these cams from way back in the day. We are comp cams #1 seller for the ecotec....
Getting on topic, the stage 1 is VERY responsive to the ecotec and the stock computer, they drop right in, and you are ready to go.
Estimated flyhwheel HP is around 8-10 HP
Any more than stage 1 and you need upgrade valve train/computer tuning.
Email us with any other questions, we have them at a good price @ www.TurboTechRacing.com
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thank ya i know theres no tuning needed for these and im only mildly moded so in my opinion these will go great with what i have so far thanks for the info
Not a problem
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what about the blower one do you have to do train/computer tuning?i have the gm reflash.
if the stage 1 is the same price or near the same price as the stage 3, just do the stage 3s. you might need to upgrade the valve train and tune with HPT, but in the long run it would be worth it if you stay N/A , IMHO
12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
evilmonkitar wrote:if the stage 1 is the same price or near the same price as the stage 3, just do the stage 3s. you might need to upgrade the valve train and tune with HPT, but in the long run it would be worth it if you stay N/A , IMHO
The stage 1s have a lower powerband than stage 2 or 3s, makeing them more practical for a DD. I know i would enjoy a set of cams for my 03', but seeing as i normally cruise around 2500rpm and need the lower end torque for all the hills around here, i'll proboly stay with stockers or get a set of custom ground cams.
james wrote:what about the blower one do you have to do train/computer tuning?i have the gm reflash.
Nope blower and turbo grind also are a direct drop in, and will run off the stock ECU. You WILL gain even more power if you do a tune (HP Tuners or etc)
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evilmonkitar wrote:if the stage 1 is the same price or near the same price as the stage 3, just do the stage 3s. you might need to upgrade the valve train and tune with HPT, but in the long run it would be worth it if you stay N/A , IMHO
Good point HOWEVER I would NOT reccomend the stage 3 for anyone who wants to drive daily on the street.... IDLE RPM is about 1200 RPM with these cams, to keep the car from loosing vacumm and killing.
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*subscribed to interesting post...
Aaron - Has someone dynoed Stage 1? Or is this 8-10hp reallly just an estimate?
8-10 bhp would translate to about 7-8whp...more w/tuning high octane...NICE
FYI according to the specs on Stage 3, which i do not have handy, power is moved to very high rpm, as in over 8k rpm, which is past the capabilities of HPT, technically speaking. HPT is only capable upto 7000rpm - as proven by members here like PJ. Standalone or other supplemental tuning would be necessary to take advantage of them. It looks like stage 1, turbo, and blower grinds would be within the realm of HPT, even stage 2 would be iffy.
from the TTR website
turbotechracing.com wrote:
-Street (Stage 1) Applications power from 2600-6800rpm .423 intake and .419 exhaust valve lift, 252 intake and 256 exhaust duration advertized (210 intake and 212 exhaust @ .050" duration) Works best with computer modifications not required.
- Street & Strip (Stage 2) Applications power from 3000-7500rpm .440 intake and .436 exhaust valve lift, 258 intake and 262 exhaust duration advertized (216 intake and 218 exhaust @ .050" duration) Requires computer modifications
-Street & Strip high RPM (Stage 3) Applications power from 3500-8000rpm .456 intake and .453 exhaust lift, 264 intake and 268 exhaust duration advertized (222 intake and 224 exhaust @ .050" duration) Requires computer modification very strong power over 5000 RPM
linky for reference:
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oldskool wrote:
FYI according to the specs on Stage 3, which i do not have handy, power is moved to very high rpm, as in over 8k rpm
stage 3 makes power up to 8000rpm
if it were me i would still get stage 3
i WAS going to do that, but i was convinced to just get the GMPP S/C kit
in the end its your decision bud, but i would spend the little extra now so im happy later. but only get cams if you never plan on boosting, since N/A cams probably wouldnt work well with boost.
12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
does the stage 2 cams require valvetrain work, or just comp work?
hop on in i've got a J
Casey Schaaf wrote:does the stage 2 cams require valvetrain work, or just comp work?
Ferrea valve train is suggested but not required. It is right on the limit of what the stock springs can handle.
HP tuners should be able to tune the stage 2 well.
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how much horsepower does the stage 2 claim to get?
hop on in i've got a J
Casey Schaaf wrote:how much horsepower does the stage 2 claim to get?
I would guess 10-14 if tuned correctly...
I know the stage 3 was well over 15 HP improvment on my ecotec, tuned with the electromotive tec 3 unit...
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ya well i have no major modifications to my car as of yet cannot go past 6800 rpm so the stage 1 is right in my area of power and im going n/a so i would think these are my best bet as for now and for a good while. thank for the info guys its much appreciated.
Not a problem.
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sik96eco wrote:ya well i have no major modifications to my car as of yet cannot go past 6800 rpm so the stage 1 is right in my area of power and im going n/a so i would think these are my best bet as for now and for a good while. thank for the info guys its much appreciated.
no problem, but stage 1 grind and stage 3 grind are the same price, so just keep that in mind if you are on a budget
12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
quick question for aaron from ttr about how long does it take for customers to receive their product? thanks
would i really need to worry alot if i had the stage 2 cams without an upgraded valve train, i look to doin it in the future just not as of yet
hop on in i've got a J
sik96eco wrote:quick question for aaron from ttr about how long does it take for customers to receive their product? thanks
Should have them in about 3-5 business days after you place your order.
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Casey Schaaf wrote:would i really need to worry alot if i had the stage 2 cams without an upgraded valve train, i look to doin it in the future just not as of yet
you dont NEED to upgrade the valve springs witht the stage 2 grind. i know a guy with stage 2 cams in his eco, and he hasnt had problems yet, he has only had them for a couple months. i would upgrade the valve springs and tune it with HPT just to get the redline at 7k rpms, and raise the powerband past 6200 rpms to make as much use out of the cams.
evilmonkitar wrote:sik96eco wrote:ya well i have no major modifications to my car as of yet cannot go past 6800 rpm so the stage 1 is right in my area of power and im going n/a so i would think these are my best bet as for now and for a good while. thank for the info guys its much appreciated.
no problem, but stage 1 grind and stage 3 grind are the same price, so just keep that in mind if you are on a budget
and i would most definately NOT reccomend using the stage 3 cams for daily use. you would need a modified engien, ( neutral balance shaft delete, higher compression pistons, etc.) even though their the same price as the stage 1 cams, you have no idea how much more money you would need to support the use of the cams, rather than dropping in the stage 1 cams, without even having to tune it, which is more practical to alot of people.
Corey Endsley wrote:evilmonkitar wrote:sik96eco wrote:ya well i have no major modifications to my car as of yet cannot go past 6800 rpm so the stage 1 is right in my area of power and im going n/a so i would think these are my best bet as for now and for a good while. thank for the info guys its much appreciated.
no problem, but stage 1 grind and stage 3 grind are the same price, so just keep that in mind if you are on a budget
and i would most definately NOT reccomend using the stage 3 cams for daily use. you would need a modified engien, ( neutral balance shaft delete, higher compression pistons, etc.) even though their the same price as the stage 1 cams, you have no idea how much more money you would need to support the use of the cams, rather than dropping in the stage 1 cams, without even having to tune it, which is more practical to alot of people.
wouldnt need higher compression pistons but definately new valvetrain and HP tuners. the easiest way to do it with very little downtime would be to buy a spare ecotec head, get the valve train, give the head, cams, valvetrain to a machine shop to P&P the head and put the new valvetrain in and cams. it would be a good idea to have neutral balance shafts too since you would be revving high for an eco. so yea there would be more money involved i suppose, but wouldnt it make you happier to have your car faster
like i stated before, it is your choice, all anyone else can do is offer their opinions and experiences
12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
question, i plan on boosting soon, would the turbo grind cam produce any gain over stock or should i wait until its turbo'd to install them... also if they can go on before the turbo would i need to tune specifically for them?
hop on in i've got a J
