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Anybody know where I can get a single Eagle H-Beam connecting rod for a '00 2200 engine? I just started ripping apart an engine which I was told had no problems when I bought it, but apparently one of the eagle rods is warped worse than I've ever seen a rod get warped. The guy I bought the engine from did a complete build other than the valvetrain, so I was going to put my new valvetrain in until I encountered this....now I need a new rod by Christmas. If anybody knows where I can get another performance connecting rod of any type really it would be greatly appreciated, I was hoping to do my engine swap during my 3 week christmas break.
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Eagle usually can help you out with this type of request, however, the price for a single rod will be within 75% of an entire set of 4 rods. Also, you will need to go to eagle to fulfill this type of need since no vendor will split a boxed set for you, that is for sure.
EDIT: I also would have to question the integrity of the other rods in the engine at this point as well. Without detailed information on how the damage happened you can't tell if this was an isolated issue with just that one cylinder, or was that one rod just the first to show signs of the damage/stress that was applied to all rods.
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No other rods had any damage or stress, it looked like there was just a hydraulic stress, like water was trapped in the one cylinder and just completely wrecked it. The entire head and bottom end are coming off anyways, so everything will be check out completely. I have alldata and professors with hundreds of years of experience rebuilding ohv engines to help me too. But thanks for the help anyways, I might just have to look for a used set up
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idk, to me, when it comes to the engine.. if one is bad, they're all bad.
water in one cylinder enough to bend a rod but not in the others? did rain/ coolant selectively choose only one cylinder to go into? sounds like bs to me.
were the other rods magnafluxed? visual inspection doesn't cut it on internal components.
one bad rod = all bad
one bad piston = all bad
one bad valve = all bad
one bad injector = all bad
that way you don't have to re-do the job more than once.. with other things I could see working like that, but when it comes to the engine.. you shouldn't mess around.
yea you might save money in the short term, but long term you'll lose every time.
We just did a visual inspection of the rods, nothing else really. I'm not even sure if it was water that got into a cylinder, I just figured that might be a possibly as to why just one rod would have been that bad. And from what I've seen so far, its going to be about the same amount of money to pick up one rod as it would be to get a whole new set. Eagle wanted around $300 for one, when they sell a new kit for $400. IPP sells the entire kit for just over $300, so that's what I'm probably going to have to go with anyways.
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As the others have said, rods are all stressed VERY similarly, regardless of failure mechanism. I'd replace all of them for sure.
Any chance you could post a picture of the bad rod?
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
If I knew how to post pics I would lol never done it on here before, but I will give it a shot, its still in the engine. But now I'm just getting a full new set of Eagles as it is, it was close to the same price to get just one directly from Eagle, as it was to purchase the whole set from IPP.com, it was like $309 for the set and around $300 for one.
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Hey I figured out how to post a pic haha
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Derek Trout wrote:If I knew how to post pics I would lol never done it on here before, but I will give it a shot, its still in the engine. But now I'm just getting a full new set of Eagles as it is, it was close to the same price to get just one directly from Eagle, as it was to purchase the whole set from IPP.com, it was like $309 for the set and around $300 for one.
You got ripped off..... Stock pistons, stock rods.....
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Ouch... i hope you didn't pay alot fot the engine.
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And this is why I have always made the sellers pull the pan and valve covers in front of me before I handed the cash over on all of the 'modified' V8's I've bought in the past. I've had sellers on craigslist no longer answer my calls or call me back after I told them I wanted to pull the pan and covers with them before I paid or took delivery.....so I know this type of crap happens more often than people think. Good luck, I hope you can get some $ back....or just go beat the hell out of him till you feel better....whatever comes first.
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Well I still know where this guy lives, so I am going over there to either get my every penny I paid him back, or basically make his life a living hell. I was given receipts for close to $2000 and that is the only reason I bought it. I paid $500 for it, and I actually believed him, because it was freshly repainted, he showed me pictures of the eagle rods and wiseco pistons, and every seal was freshly siliconed, with a freshly ported head. So now I'm basically f*cked so this is a great christmas present at least.
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This is what an Eagle "H" beam with a forged piston looks like......
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420.5whp / 359.8wtq
Derek Trout wrote: and every seal was freshly siliconed
you don't silicone seals. you replace them if they leak. if they still leak, you replace whatever they're sealing, or have it machined. you got hosed homie.
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Yeah I know I got screwed on that deal, I still know the guy and where he lives and everything so I have no doubt I will be able to talk some sense into the guy.....
And yeah, I know what eagle rods should look like, I helped my dad when we were building his 489bbc motor. They didn't even look like eagle rods for sure, I just jumped to the thought that they were because I was given the receipt showing the guy bought the parts.
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here is an eagle too, hahahahaha
here is stock for comparison
How did you pull that one off?? That $h!+ looks intense
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Anyone remember that thread where some kid on a 4x4 forum tried selling a used rear end as new and the forum members made his life a living hell? I think this thread could have that kind of potential.
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to the op we race cavaliers, dont exactly know what happened in that one way to much damaget o tell. our cars have about 200 whp n/a
our engine setup
The factory rods handle up to around 200 whp pretty consistently...the eagle rods are supposed to handle at least 650whp, that must've just been horrible timing or some $h!+ went horribly wrong
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Derek Trout wrote:The factory rods handle up to around 200 whp pretty consistently...the eagle rods are supposed to handle at least 650whp, that must've just been horrible timing or some $h!+ went horribly wrong
Or quite possibly a freak manufacturing defect..... As they say, "do enough of anything and your going to eventually have it go wrong". A fixed % of all the rods that Eagle sends out it's doors are accident's waiting to happen.
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That percentage is going to be about .01% at most realistically. I guess he just got stuck with that 1 in 10,000 set of rods
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naa personally heres what i have brought it down to...
we had been screwing with the float through practices and it went pretty lean a few times... that was on #4 cylinder where our intake has worst flow seems it has to go around the distributor.
then in the race we lost oil pressure on lap 4 out of 30 but we were leading and walking away with it.dad on the radio said keep going...
through 2 or 3 cautions we still had the lead... motor started seizing on lap 25 but we were still in front. on lap 28 going into turn3 it went boom... we alomst made it ended up about 1/2 mile from a win oh well
so through the lean and the oil pump that messed up and having no oil rpessure i think the torque just snapped it
In other words, what not to do with no oil pressure! lol
23 1/2 laps with no oil pressure, that's really good!
How many rpm were you turning at the end of the straights?
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