Got the motor out of my car, opted to just rebuild it instead of finding another motor. (Main bearings shot)
I want to make this motor strong. Can care less about going fast but want it to be reliable and not want to worry about it blowing every time Im hard on it.
I was already thinking a 90-93 oil pump, fel-pro head gasket (with good head bolts), but don't know where else to start to make it strong and reliable.
1994 Pontiac Trans Am 6-speed
Vortech V1 @ 7psi, Eagle rods, Low compression pistons, Comp Cam, Ported Heads, Roller Rockers, Ported Intake Manifold, Holley 58mm TB, 42# Injectors, MSD Optispark, MSD Coil, F.A.S.T ECU, Crane Cams Ignition, Mid-length headers catless, Hurst shifter, Adjustable panhard bar, ZR1 wheels. She gets the job done.
Stock motor , stock rebuild.
My old 95 2.2 was beat on for ages and lasted till 260xxx km till I wrote it off. All I ever did to it was a starter, alt, timing set and a head gasket.
BoostedTurd wrote:Got the motor out of my car, opted to just rebuild it instead of finding another motor. (Main bearings shot)
I want to make this motor strong. Can care less about going fast but want it to be reliable and not want to worry about it blowing every time Im hard on it.
I was already thinking a 90-93 oil pump, fel-pro head gasket (with good head bolts), but don't know where else to start to make it strong and reliable.
My build is going very slow as I chose to get a truck engine for a few hundred bucks from our local S-10 junkyard. (Hedrick's Garage in Maryville, TN. 865.984.9109 , ask for Ragan)
The build for the old engine will be:
zero decked block
eagle H beam rods
stock crank
Speed pro .040 over pistons
ARP main and head studs
stock gaskets
milled head .030
+3 mm stainless steel intake valves; custom from Manley
+1 mm stainless steel exhaust valves
1.6 to 1 full roller steel rockers from Comp Cams
beehive springs from Comp Cams
major porting changes (top secret for now)
custom built header with 1.75" primaries 30" long to merge collector - Stainless 304
Custom cam from Web cam
5.7 GM throttle body
Megasquirt 3 with 3.57 board; possibly going with 3x expansion card for sequential injection
maybe 75-100 shot of nitrous
The engine will turn over 7500 rpm or so. If you are wanting bullet proof with a stock cam this ought to help. Just delete the head work and hot cam.
dennis
Philly D wrote:Stock motor , stock rebuild.
My old 95 2.2 was beat on for ages and lasted till 260xxx km till I wrote it off. All I ever did to it was a starter, alt, timing set and a head gasket.
Same way with my 2200, all I did when I put my low mileage one in was install a better oil pump. Only reason I swapped was I got a good deal, my old one is still sitting in the shop ready to go with 150k on it.
If you just want reliable, just use clevite 77 bearings for the mains and rods. and possibly do the oil pump. Also, while it's all out, have the head and block checked for perfect flatness, and if there's any warping, get it fixed.
The OHV 2.2 is pretty reliable as it is. Stock head bolts are good, but if you want better, you can get ARP ones. Search the forum for details on getting them. They are a little hard to get, and two of them may need to be custom to be the right length.
the 2200 in my book has been the most reliable engine i ever had honestly. Bought the car new in 99 just tripped 160K only things that went on the car were the starter and the throttle cable broke. If you change your oil every 3K or 4K that motor will run forever
VTLoki wrote:If you just want reliable, just use clevite 77 bearings for the mains and rods. and possibly do the oil pump. Also, while it's all out, have the head and block checked for perfect flatness, and if there's any warping, get it fixed.
The OHV 2.2 is pretty reliable as it is. Stock head bolts are good, but if you want better, you can get ARP ones. Search the forum for details on getting them. They are a little hard to get, and two of them may need to be custom to be the right length.
What this guy said. Your not looking for power, just dependability.
Well im going to need a LOT more then expected... It's gonna be costly and time consuming but at least in the end ill have a practically brand-spankin'-new engine.
Finished tearing it down today. Cylinder bore is anywhere from 4-8 thousandths worn, pretty damn sloppy. Going to need a bore & hone. Cylinder #1 piston, had the top ring melt/disintegrate which broke into pieces down into the motor, which caused EXCESSIVE damage to the main bearings and crank. I do not believe the crank is even able to be cut, there's some big ridges on it. Rod bearings were surprisingly not bad.
Looks like there was a combination of starving for oil & metal pieces from the piston in the motor which caused it's demise.
Going to need to get the block sonic cleaned, bored, honed, with a new crank and main & rod bearings, as well as new pistons and rings. If im going that far, going to also put in a new timing chain & tensioner, 90-93 oil pump, etc.
This is going to be expensive -_-
Also, at advance, they had a high-volume oil pump as an option to the standard one for the 90-93. Since the 90-93 is already 10% more volume, should I go with the high-volume one or would that be too much?
Thanks everyone!
1994 Pontiac Trans Am 6-speed
Vortech V1 @ 7psi, Eagle rods, Low compression pistons, Comp Cam, Ported Heads, Roller Rockers, Ported Intake Manifold, Holley 58mm TB, 42# Injectors, MSD Optispark, MSD Coil, F.A.S.T ECU, Crane Cams Ignition, Mid-length headers catless, Hurst shifter, Adjustable panhard bar, ZR1 wheels. She gets the job done.
my buddy has a fully built 2.2 and the thing is quicker then a stock 2.4 and strong as hell the 2.2 has potential if done right
JBO since July 30, 2001
Where's the best place to get a somewhat-decently cost rebuild kit for these motors?
1994 Pontiac Trans Am 6-speed
Vortech V1 @ 7psi, Eagle rods, Low compression pistons, Comp Cam, Ported Heads, Roller Rockers, Ported Intake Manifold, Holley 58mm TB, 42# Injectors, MSD Optispark, MSD Coil, F.A.S.T ECU, Crane Cams Ignition, Mid-length headers catless, Hurst shifter, Adjustable panhard bar, ZR1 wheels. She gets the job done.
Importperformanceparts.net has several to choose from
How do you guys think my 2.2 OHV cab will do with nitrous?what's the biggest WET shot I can do in it?
112000 miles on it. Internationals all stock. 1 1/4 hears down to 2 1/4 all the way back with high flow cat. Fender cold air intake, car only runs on 93 octane.
Search the nitrous forum for everything you need to know but to answer your question, a 50 shot with one step colder plugs is as far as I'd go.
I've only made a few passes on nitrous but I've yet to find any ill effects.
Ryan Levesque wrote:How do you guys think my 2.2 OHV cab will do with nitrous?what's the biggest WET shot I can do in it?
112000 miles on it. Internationals all stock. 1 1/4 hears down to 2 1/4 all the way back with high flow cat. Fender cold air intake, car only runs on 93 octane.
I don't mean to critique, but by "Internationals" do you mean internals? and by "1 1/4 hears" do you mean 1 1/4 inch headers/tube diameter? I had to read your post 2-3 times to understand what you meant, and just wasn't sure.
VTLoki wrote:Ryan Levesque wrote:How do you guys think my 2.2 OHV cab will do with nitrous?what's the biggest WET shot I can do in it?
112000 miles on it. Internationals all stock. 1 1/4 hears down to 2 1/4 all the way back with high flow cat. Fender cold air intake, car only runs on 93 octane.
I don't mean to critique, but by "Internationals" do you mean internals? and by "1 1/4 hears" do you mean 1 1/4 inch headers/tube diameter? I had to read your post 2-3 times to understand what you meant, and just wasn't sure.
My Droid X2 does that to me all the time. Stupid predictive texting!!
BoostedTurd wrote:Where's the best place to get a somewhat-decently cost rebuild kit for these motors?
Have you thought about getting a junkyard motor or a low mileage one off eBay? Might save a little on machine work...
I thought about a junkyard and ebay, but every single one I find is at least $600. And for that kind of money, they usually STILL have 100k or more on them. And I would still be putting an oil pump and timing set on it. When it's all said and done, for only a little bit more, I have the satisfaction of knowing everythings brand spankin' new.
1994 Pontiac Trans Am 6-speed
Vortech V1 @ 7psi, Eagle rods, Low compression pistons, Comp Cam, Ported Heads, Roller Rockers, Ported Intake Manifold, Holley 58mm TB, 42# Injectors, MSD Optispark, MSD Coil, F.A.S.T ECU, Crane Cams Ignition, Mid-length headers catless, Hurst shifter, Adjustable panhard bar, ZR1 wheels. She gets the job done.
Wow, all the junkyards around me wanted $300 or so when I was looking around. Keep an eye out though, I got my 20k one for $100
How's the build progress? Got a nice shiny reliable ln2 engine?
I've been hurting on money. Driving my trans am everywhere has been draining my paychecks on gas. Motors still just sitting disassembled on the engine stand.
The first thing im doing is getting a crank kit off of ebay. There's a machine shop on there advertising fresh cut cranks with all new rod & main bearings for &165. Then I am going to pick up a set of .020 over pistons, and my father is going to bore the block for me. (He owns a machine shop)
After that all I really need is a complete gasket kit, oil pump, timing set, and head bolts. And she can be rebuilt.
If only money wasn't such an issue.. haha. I picked up this car to save me money and it ends up costing me more
1994 Pontiac Trans Am 6-speed
Vortech V1 @ 7psi, Eagle rods, Low compression pistons, Comp Cam, Ported Heads, Roller Rockers, Ported Intake Manifold, Holley 58mm TB, 42# Injectors, MSD Optispark, MSD Coil, F.A.S.T ECU, Crane Cams Ignition, Mid-length headers catless, Hurst shifter, Adjustable panhard bar, ZR1 wheels. She gets the job done.
MasterFlight wrote:VTLoki wrote:Ryan Levesque wrote:How do you guys think my 2.2 OHV cab will do with nitrous?what's the biggest WET shot I can do in it?
112000 miles on it. Internationals all stock. 1 1/4 hears down to 2 1/4 all the way back with high flow cat. Fender cold air intake, car only runs on 93 octane.
I don't mean to critique, but by "Internationals" do you mean internals? and by "1 1/4 hears" do you mean 1 1/4 inch headers/tube diameter? I had to read your post 2-3 times to understand what you meant, and just wasn't sure.
My Droid X2 does that to me all the time. Stupid predictive texting!!
Yeah, I have the Droid x2 also and when I type I need to like type one word make sure it's right and keep going freaking annoying!
