ok i did a full search, no results, i'm going to take a stab and say it's possible, and they exist if i have the custom work done, but would it take forged components for my 2.0 to handle a supercharger? and converting to a different fueling method? and is it possible to gut my tranny housing and install high speed/torque components in it? and if it is, is it more cost effective to just get something else fitted?

stupid questions, and i am guessing they've been answered, but i did the search and came up with few refferences to supercharging the 2.0, and no real info. so thats why i'm asking.


"I live my life a quarter mile at a time..." "for those ten seconds or less I'm free"

pretty much the same deal as turboing its just a different method of charging the air. Everything else is the same as running a turbocharger, you don't have to mod the exhaust manifold but you will have to fab some pulleys and mounts that's the only difference really. What kind of supercharger are you thinking of using?


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i have no idea, the research and developement comes into play there, i'd be heading to a machine shop with the parts and details though, and my step father works at a aerospace manufacturing plant, so i can have parts fabbed for free probly if i give detailed enough instructions i'm thinking of getting a stand alone mpfi setup done, with an aluminium intake, and getting everythign bored out on the head and port matched with the exhuast, and possibly having a head fabbed from alluminium with a slightly raised deck, which if i'm right would counter the effects of the higher psi vs compression ratio but still allowing for the higher psi without shooting my head through my hood or blowing it to pieces.... my question is, does this make any sense to you guys or am i talking out my poop hole.... kuz i honestly think i know what i'm talking about, but if i don't i'd like you guys to correct me, so i'm not making any huge mistakes.


"I live my life a quarter mile at a time..." "for those ten seconds or less I'm free"

Well you've got the compression idea right, If you can get all that done for free go for it, You can get some of the same results by swapping in turbo 2.0 parts but you've got a good source there, use it. Your stand alone injection idea, I don't know jack about the computer systems but how do you plan on running that w/ ignition. I'm assuing you have a TBI intake right now?


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ya tbi intake, it would take some programming but i was thinking of maybe also having a stand alone ignition, but then linking it to the fuel based on movements from a sensor that would take over for the spot the dist used to be, self adjusting, and possibly able to learn the best timing for the speed, acceleration ect. haha, i might as well biuld a whole new freaking car/engine everything lol.

but what i'm saying is, based on firing times and such, if i had some kind of direct port injection in line with the supercharger, set to fire the injectors at a specific time in relation to the spark fire, which i'm guessing is how it's done anyway, there would be an ideal mixture/timing for both seperatly in relation to the rpms of the engine, but if you consider different accelerations, it creates a different stress, and having a stand alone fuel management system could learn to compensate for this stuff right? or is this already compansated for in all mpfi systems? and i'm just gettin my brain up to date? kuz the way i look at it, most manufacturers would go the cheap route, basing everything on rpms and not stress of picking up rpms quickly vs slowly.

i have a feeling most of what i just said is common sense.... *raised eyebrow*


"I live my life a quarter mile at a time..." "for those ten seconds or less I'm free"

crossed outta my league, I do mechanics not electronics , I'm pretty sure the GM ecu is based on the crank postition so it would increase decrease based on RPMs. Some other guys know a lot more about this stuff than me, they'll chime in I"m sure


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well, as you can see i'm probly going a bit out of my own league, i either gotta find a programmer, or learn to program to get all that done, i'm almost sure there is some way i can get a stand alone fuel system with self management in the way of rpms, timing ect, i just have to research it. as for the supercharger which is back on topic, i do need a stronger crank, rods, and pistons right? and whats the highest psi a 2.0 could take safely??? i don't imagine there is anyway i could compensate for the heat other than using a higher volume water pump a bigger rad and a better cooling fan? and would that give me i higher safe area for the psi?


"I live my life a quarter mile at a time..." "for those ten seconds or less I'm free"

you could probably use a mpfi set up, and use a obd1 ecu and standalone program. But good luck mapping everything out right... better have a dyno or soemone good with a laptop and tunning on the fly. I helped my buddy pat do his in the WRX. we got on the hi-way and recorded the info, then re-maped the fuel/air curves, and repeated it a few times... still not right, but were getting close.


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GM has done all the work for you. Snag all the turbo Sunbird stuff you can, use an n/a exhaust manifold and fab up the supercharger mounting and belt drives. It'll still be more work than it's worth, considering there are OE turbo componants, but if you're dead set on supercharging, use all the pre-boosted stuff you can.

This is teh best way I see to go about it, You need turbo pistons cause there forged and dished to lower the compression, and being forged they can take a lot more abuse, use all the factory turbo intake injectors ecm and wiring cause the ECM knows what boost is and accepts it unlike the NA ecm, also the turbo wiring has a knock sensor that will adjust the timming on you to stop detonation if you get to lean. then just bolt up a na exhaust manifold, and get a centrifugal (sp?) super charger cause there easier to work with on a motor like this, If you dont know what that is head over to howstuffworks.com and do some research. But its bassically a belt driven turbo, all you have to do is fab up a mount for it and plumb it and you should be good to go.

ya, i've heard of and actually got a chance to see a centrifugal supercharger up close when i was in an auto class in the states, so i know how that one works, i've got a few differen't ideas i'm throwing around right now, but all this will take alot more time than for most anyone else, i haven't got alot of money to throw around, but as long as i have the notes, i know what i have to get and i know what i'm getting into down the road when i do have the money, i was thinking the best idea would be to run the origional belt to the pully for the charger, and run an electric high volume water put with a higher output alternator, which i'm going to need anyway for the stereo i want.

i mean, my car isn't exactly the apitomy of speedyness, but for me to pull up next to someone that thinks my car is a stock 2.slow, and suddenly i'm flying away at mach speed, i imagine i'd surprise a few import owners, (and possibly maybe even a few stang owners)

i wouldn't mind supercharging a 6 but 1 i do't have one and 2 it's been done, so whats the fun in that? it's always nice to be able to think you're doing something at least semi origional. heres a few more questions:

1. is the stock head aluminium?
2. would making myself a custom header ruin my compression/backpressure?
3. anyone know where i can get a decent welder for under 450 bucks? lol j/k i'll need a tig welder for all this, which is going to be crazy expensive. i'll just have to work on that.

anyway thanks everyone, anythign anyone can help me with will be awesome! i'll be around and watching this thread


"I live my life a quarter mile at a time..." "for those ten seconds or less I'm free"

Yes the stock head is aluminum, I dont think a header would screw anyting up, you should be fine. Cant help with the tig, lol
I've got two ideas for your belts you can use or just ignore and do it your way, lol
First if you dont have AC just run the SC off a seperate pulley like the AC is (theres a spot for a second belt on the crank pulley, you may even get away with using the stock AC belt if you mount it right. Also fab up a tensioner in your mount so its easier to get the belt on, and tight, lol
The other way would be to put the SC in with the main pulley system by finding a spot for it and making up a mount (again with a adjuster, just makes things a ton easier on yourself.) Then put all the tensioners and adjusters in teh middle and run a piece of string the same way the pulley goes then measure the length of string you used and go to NAPA or something and they can get you a belt that size, they cary every size imaginable, just make sure its the same type of belt, V groove, flat, etc... Its probobly best to bring the stock belt to compare, to make sure you get one that will fit properly.
Then you just have to slip the belt on and you should have some room for adjustment if with the adjuster you put on the mount and the factroy tensioner.