Well for a t-3 turbo , theres a company here that is selling a rebuild kit for around$450.00.....they say the t-3 is no longer available brand new.
They also want $100.00 to rebuild it...
do these prices sound right?
WOW!!! Thats freakin' expensive!!! You can go to a turbo shop and get a new cartrige for it cheaper than that.
Really?
I thought so...
everybody on here is always talking about rebiulding a junkyard turbo..
and after i priced The cost...I didnt understand why you all didnt just buy a brand new one..lol
Cool....whos a good company (and cheap in price) that i can purchase rebuild kits from?
Gary who wrote:Well for a t-3 turbo , theres a company here that is selling a rebuild kit for around$450.00.....they say the t-3 is no longer available brand new.
They also want $100.00 to rebuild it...
do these prices sound right?
La' sigh. This post is so disturbing. Let's break it down.
1. Never rebuild your own turbo. Ever. Rebuilding implies that you are seperating the wheels from the shaft, which throws them out of balance. You cannot put it backtogether perfectly enough to restore balance. Turbos are double or triple balances at EXTREMELY high tolerances to ensure NO vibration as they spin at 130,000 + RPMS! It's ok to take the housings down to the center cartridge off. It is NOT ok to seperate them.
2. A rebuild KIT for $450?! You can BUY a rebuilt turbo for that much. I'm hoping that's what they meant and you misinterpreted it. What kind of T-3 are you looking at, IE what size or what type of OEM one. For instance if you want a .42/.48 a/r T-3 off a Mopar a great site is
http://www.turbosunleashed.com they also have a lot of upgrade parts for them. That's the kind of t-3 I'm running. They also have mopar super 60's there.
3. $100 to rebuild a turbo is cheap. I'd be leary of their work.
4. The t-3 is no longer avaiblible brand new? Again, either you misunderstood them or they are on crack. While certain TYPES of t-3's may be unavailible the T-3 is one of te most popular turbocharger STYLES in the world. Turbonetics manufactuers brand new T-3 style turbos for all sorts of cars too. Garrett may have discontinued a few models but plent of places still sell OEM Garrett ones too (though the turbonetics ones are almost always superior!)
no no i wasnt going to rebuild one.
He told me a rebuild kit and i asked him like 3 time through the converstaion just to make sure.
Lat me check out another place here in town...
Im lean ing towards that super 60 ...or something close to it...i dont want to go go over 300 right now at least.
Gary your post is a little vauge.. You have a sunbird turbo right? A T-3 anything isn't going to bolt up, only some T-25 or T-28 will. To bolt up any t-3 or different style turbo, you'd need a different, modified, or adapted exhaust manifold, a new downpipe, new charge pipe, new air cleaner, and new oil/coolant lines. ...
Since you have no information on your car posted I can't tell if you've already adapted your car to accept a different style turbo like mine is.
Sorry bout that.
My turbo is a stock turbo..im going to modify it to use the t-3 turbo.all stock car.
But im just checking ahead of time..cause its going to be around 2 months before i can affford the turbo...unless it was one hella deal!.
I checked with another place I found a rebuilt turbo t-3 off of an 85 turbocoupe for $500.00.
The first place i went to gave me a $400.00 rebuild kit price..for just the kit.
The second place i like much more.
Thanks for the thread link..saved it.
I''ve said it before, I'll say it again. I rebuilt my own turbo, you can too if you're mechanically inclined. Protonus is correct - the balance is crucial to long life. If you're not replacing the shaft or blades all you need to do is mark the relationship of the blades so it goes back together just as it came apart.
The rebuild kit for my Mclaren Grand Prix T-28 was under a hundred bucks from Limit Engineering. The T-28 bolts right on to the Sunbird manifold and will add around 35 hp. When you find them on ebay they're usually relatively cheap.
The T-3 is a great upgrade but don't you have to move the radiator forwards a couple inches to make it fit? That usually requires removing the condensor doesn't it? It's physically larger than a T-25 so measure it up before you spend your money.
Tony
Tony
1987 Sunbird GT turbo convert
Ported intake, Fiero 53 MM TB, 52 lb inj, ported and flowed head, tube header, Mitsu TD06, ARP rod
bolts/head studs, adj cam sprocket, 4" x 12" x 31" FMIC, Paxton AFPR, modified 125 trans/LSD
unit/3.42's, custom chip tuning, Alky Control Methanol injection
13.61 ET at 101.44 mph, 262 WHP/350WTQ
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP roadster, 2.0 turbo w/GMPP exh, CAI and turbo upgrade, 290 hp/325 ft lbs
1969 Olds 442 convert
400 Eng, 200-4R trans, 3.73 posi, power everything, OAI
Yes, your correct. From what i've heard you cannot run air conditioning with the t-3......but ill be looking for some way around that,if i can.
There's a guy ned ...and he lives somewhere by me...anyway , he has offered to help me with some things on it when the time comes.
I dont plan on stripping this car down..first its the spare tire,air conditioning, then interior.
But damn it i want air conditioning!!!
As for T3 with a/c. I am sure it can be done. But it would require a new manifold or putting the turbo up high, of that I'm quite certain. Also T3 is a style of turbo not a size so, a larger compressor housiung is going to be tougher to fit. I took out my a/c as I have a convertible and it didn't work anyways. so I think it might hit hte EVAP core. but I did NOT have to move my radiator. I did have to cut and modify the fan shroud though.
As for ned... yeah we know who he is
his t-25 to t-3 adaptor from his old blue car is what is on my car
If you have Ned willing to help you then you're all set. He's still the man in my mind.
Tony
Tony
1987 Sunbird GT turbo convert
Ported intake, Fiero 53 MM TB, 52 lb inj, ported and flowed head, tube header, Mitsu TD06, ARP rod
bolts/head studs, adj cam sprocket, 4" x 12" x 31" FMIC, Paxton AFPR, modified 125 trans/LSD
unit/3.42's, custom chip tuning, Alky Control Methanol injection
13.61 ET at 101.44 mph, 262 WHP/350WTQ
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP roadster, 2.0 turbo w/GMPP exh, CAI and turbo upgrade, 290 hp/325 ft lbs
1969 Olds 442 convert
400 Eng, 200-4R trans, 3.73 posi, power everything, OAI
I believe I've seen, read, or heard from a reliable source that Garrett builds the turbo with each component balanced individually. If this is the case then balancing the assembly can be compared to an on-car wheel balance. If the rotor, wheel, and hub are all perfectly balanced then an on-car balance will gain nothing. But if anything has been disturbed then an on-car balance will correct the problem. Same would apply with the turbo.
I rebuilt the T25 in my Cavalier. No real problems, though I did have some words of warning from a few that tried the job before me. But I wouldn't try the job with anything other than an OE Garrett which had never been rebuilt before. Why? If the wheel/ shaft assembly's been balanced, I feel it's very difficult to put things back in the same place.
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As for ned... yeah we know who he is his t-25 to t-3 adaptor from his old blue car is what is on my car
I have a 2.0 OHC manifold in my possession which was made by "the guy that welded Ned's manifold." It's got a T3 flange welded to the stock T25 manifold. I'm not impressed... more HP needs a larger exhaust path imo. I'm looking for another T3 manifold and I'm considering making my own if I can't find one.
-->Slow
^^^Slow, I am having a stainless turbo header made by exploited this week. I may be able to sway him into making a copy. Interested?
And you are dead on about individual balancing. The truth is, you can rebuild your own turbo and it has been done before plenty of times. I built one turbo from new parts only resuing the actual center section of a TBO3. When I bought the parts I had intended on getting it balanced but both the TO4E compressor wheel and the P-trim turbine shaft/wheel came with documentation of balancing alone.
I don't see any way of using a larger turbo and keeping A/C without both a custom manifold and a custom radiator set-up like I did to push the radiator and A/C condensor more forward. If you open up the room, anything is possible really, just be prepaired to hack away. I am ordering a GT3040R next week if you want to see a tight fit!
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Before you guys go crazy having custom headers made check out this guy -
http://www.mvaux.com.
I believe he gets $120 plus shipping for a nice header with a T-3 flange and he can supply it in cast iron or steel tubing.
Shannen, you've seen the header on my car that I got from Stefan. Well this is the guy who makes it to begin with. He has tons of parts for the 2.0 though his camshaft prices aren't overly competitive right now.
Another thought is what is referred to as "Weld El's" in Corky Bell's book. They're actually just heavy walled pipe that comes in short lengths in straights, 45's and 90's. I had a few flanges cut out and bought a bunch of Weld El's to fab up my own header before I bought my current one off Stef. You can get them at www.mcmaster-carr.com.
Food for thought.
Tony
Tony
1987 Sunbird GT turbo convert
Ported intake, Fiero 53 MM TB, 52 lb inj, ported and flowed head, tube header, Mitsu TD06, ARP rod
bolts/head studs, adj cam sprocket, 4" x 12" x 31" FMIC, Paxton AFPR, modified 125 trans/LSD
unit/3.42's, custom chip tuning, Alky Control Methanol injection
13.61 ET at 101.44 mph, 262 WHP/350WTQ
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP roadster, 2.0 turbo w/GMPP exh, CAI and turbo upgrade, 290 hp/325 ft lbs
1969 Olds 442 convert
400 Eng, 200-4R trans, 3.73 posi, power everything, OAI
Hey, Tony! Linky no worky. Maybe the 2.0 parts business is too slow?
I've used handrail sections to build a manifold. It's thick piping, but the seams aren't welded. Sp that's just one more step in a long process. I really don't want to abuse myself too much by building a turbo header, but if I can't find one as cool as yours, I guess I'll have to do it the hard way. Then again, that may be the only way to "hide" my 60 trim T3.
Jeez! What am I doing?? I haven't even finished building the 302 for the Jimmy!
-->Slow
Hmm. Try this link. It worked for me.
http://www.mvaux.com/
I haven't bought anything from him but we've emailed back and forth. He seems pretty knowledgable and they speak well of him on Migweb.
Tony
Tony
1987 Sunbird GT turbo convert
Ported intake, Fiero 53 MM TB, 52 lb inj, ported and flowed head, tube header, Mitsu TD06, ARP rod
bolts/head studs, adj cam sprocket, 4" x 12" x 31" FMIC, Paxton AFPR, modified 125 trans/LSD
unit/3.42's, custom chip tuning, Alky Control Methanol injection
13.61 ET at 101.44 mph, 262 WHP/350WTQ
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP roadster, 2.0 turbo w/GMPP exh, CAI and turbo upgrade, 290 hp/325 ft lbs
1969 Olds 442 convert
400 Eng, 200-4R trans, 3.73 posi, power everything, OAI
