Hi all,ive heard the ride after installing some springs is rough and if you buy some Teins it's even worse then the stock ride.
I know the ones i want,either
Eibach
C-M
also i will be upgradeing my struts/shocks with either some Monroe are if i can come up with $630 some Koines.
thats probably because the people that told you that were on stock struts
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because the people that told you that were on stock struts
FACT
theres alot of people who half arse their suspension, then label top quality parts off as junk....
the ride should be stiffer...thats a given... however rough??? if the struts arent blown or crappy ebay scam struts or stock..., then it shouldnt be rough
FACT
Saying FACT makes you instantly cooler
Obviously the ride isnt gonna be like stock, theres less travel. However if you buy proper struts it won't be that noticeable.
Never heard of CM before, but they look like CEC from what I'm seeing.
Teins are known to be good stuff. I'd instantly ignore anything those poeple are saying based on that: If they got that dead wrong, what else are they wrong about....
Suspension doesn't happen by accident, good or bad.
i live near/around seattle, and im on Tein Basics, and they are STIFF. If you want something comfortable, they arent for you.
I think stiff and rough are getting confused. But Event is correct if you install a performance suspension do not expect Cadillac ride quality. But similery do not expect a car with Cadillac ride quality to corner like its on rails.
Its one or the other either comfort or control not both . Now Event corect me if I'm wrong but even your BMW's with the high performance suspensions ride stiffer / rougher . Correct ? I know the couple I have been in could be described as such.
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Canuck are stiff as all hell. I wouldn't recommend them unless you've got Koni's. Even then I still wouldn't use them.
Jackalope wrote:I think stiff and rough are getting confused. But Event is correct if you install a performance suspension do not expect Cadillac ride quality. But similery do not expect a car with Cadillac ride quality to corner like its on rails.
Its one or the other either comfort or control not both . Now Event corect me if I'm wrong but even your BMW's with the high performance suspensions ride stiffer / rougher . Correct ? I know the couple I have been in could be described as such.
stiffer yes, but not necessarily rougher...
the independent suspension allows each corner to deal with whatever it goes over with very little input from the opposite side...
on a semi indy rear twist like on j-bodies, even though the input isnt too much from the opposite sides, its still significant enough to affect handling to a noticable degree...
now on SCCA BMW, like the m3 gtr;s.... rough as hell, but then again doing 150mph, at 20-40mm off the ground, it would be rough, but at that level they are usually track only cars...
ON Canuk Springs:
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Built to last.
CM springs are designed and built to give the specified drop from original factory ride height FOR LIFE. We guarantee it.
two simple things/rules....
1) metal fatigues....
2) old springs WILL collapse or sag a bit, same as humans... the older it is, the more it shows......
when you see companies saying their springs will never sag, at all, and "FOR LIFE"
basically they just made a spring thats so damn stiff, it could hold up a vehicle 2- 3 times the weight of your own. not really that inventive. its like using a 12 inch wide, 1 inch thick iron cooking skillet instead of a athletic cup in sporting events...
both will do the same job, but one is overkill and probably uncomfortable.
springs that are made with quality will have a certain range of years before sagging occurs, usually 7-10, the springs arent obnoxiously stiff and thick coils (always check their warranty) , mainly to be able to back up the "no sagging for life warranties"....
almost everything metal on a car will wear down or weaken.... if something says it will never change, weaken, etc... its pretty much the same as the commercials saying the knives will never dull, the everready flashlight will never break, etc etc...
nutshell, quality springs will have a more realistic warranty, and arent made thicker or bigger simply to make up for shortcommings elsewhere.
1cavy wrote:Hi all,ive heard the ride after installing some springs is rough and if you buy some Teins it's even worse then the stock ride.
I know the ones i want,either
Eibach
C-M
also i will be upgradeing my struts/shocks with either some Monroe are if i can come up with $630 some Koines.
When people complain about their car being "rough" or "bouncy" after lowering, they most likely did not replace their struts/shocks with proper units. It has been proven in this forum that a good quality lowering spring matched with a proper strut (ie AGX + prokit, or Koni yellows + sportline) are much better handling that stock, and almost identical ride, depending on the adjusted settings on the strut.
If you are planning on lowering your car, the monroes would not be a good choice. They are slightly better than stock. If you were keeping stock springs, I personally would probably use either gr2's,or maybe the AGX. The AGX are adjustable, and could be used on a lowering spring under 1.5" drop. Tokico sturts are good choices too.
^ I've used Monroe's in the past. They're better than stock, barely. Since I've found that i can get GR2s fairly cheap, they're all I use for stock replacement. They are NOT for lowering.
C.T.S wrote:^ I've used Monroe's in the past. They're better than stock, barely. Since I've found that i can get GR2s fairly cheap, they're all I use for stock replacement. They are NOT for lowering.
Exactly! I totally agree. GR2's are good replacements for stock, but lowering NOWAY!
GR2'S and Konis's are the basically the same thing, as well you have to decide what do you want you want low and soft ride go for bags, you want a tight ride and good cornering, then lower and get good struts. Yes it will feel harder, yes you will feel the bumps more, especially if you have low pro tires, if you get a bouncy ride, then it might mean a big cheap springs, but yha there you go
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pot holes hurt and the waves in the highway are fun when going 150 km/h or faster
(and yes saying fact does make me feel cooler, even smarter but just a little bit)
^That's about as incoherent and incomprehensible as it get.
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GR2'S and Konis's are the basically the same thing
Since when??
Now this is someone who does not know what they are talking about. If they can say Koni and KYB GR2's are the same then they don't know what they are talking about.
I agree somewhat about the springs. But a decent pair of struts can control a stiff spring. YOu may have to get a Koni and get it on stiff to control it but it can be controlled
PAKIPOWER wrote:GR2'S and Konis's are the basically the same thing, as well you have to decide what do you want you want low and soft ride go for bags, you want a tight ride and good cornering, then lower and get good struts. Yes it will feel harder, yes you will feel the bumps more, especially if you have low pro tires, if you get a bouncy ride, then it might mean a big cheap springs, but yha there you go
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C.T.S wrote:^That's about as incoherent and incomprehensible as it get.
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GR2'S and Konis's are the basically the same thing
Since when??
Well, they are both aftermarket struts, and both can fit a cavalier/sunfire. Both look pretty to me. They both get shipped in boxes. Both can be purchased for money. Both are made with metal in a factory, ect.
Just having some fun.
Fact
Konis > GR2s
(Sorry for being so goofy)
Extream 4door wrote:C.T.S wrote:^That's about as incoherent and incomprehensible as it get.
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GR2'S and Konis's are the basically the same thing
Since when??
Well, they are both aftermarket struts, and both can fit a cavalier/sunfire. Both look pretty to me. They both get shipped in boxes. Both can be purchased for money. Both are made with metal in a factory, ect.
Just having some fun.
Fact
Konis > GR2s
(Sorry for being so goofy)
goofy is cool, but in your comparison, it was like comparing:
old school iraqi tanks to the abrahms m1
or a cessna cardinal to the sr-71...
or in car terms... a geo metro to a bentley...
SO how do you like your Teins so far
1Cavy, the Teins are incredible because they are very versatile. If you get the EDFC, you can electronically control the damping inside the cabin area which is good if you autocross or go to the drag strip religiously. They are a huge plus at shows too!
Saab Turbo Project... 2006
