For those that are reading this post, I have a 1998 Pontiac Sunfire with the 2.4L LD9 motor. I am due for replacement of the stock braking components (disc front, drum rear) and have been looking at some of the 12" aftermarket replacement brake kits. I have a couple of questions though.
1. Did Wilwood ever come out with the 12" rear conversion kit (was supposed to hit around summer 05)?
2. What is the pros and cons of Wilwood vs Baer (other than Baer has the 12" and 13" front kits and a 12" rear conversion)?
3. Any clue where I can buy some already factory modified spindles for the fronts? (A guy on eBay was selling them, but I missed out on the bidding)
Let me know what you think!
wilwoods complete kit weigh what JUST WHAT THE 2 ROTORS WEIGH
enough said
i ran the wilwoods with the baer copy rears , nice being able to use 16" wheels , granted you gotta find the right 16 to clear the caliper
Baer never released the 12" front kit, only the 13" is available. It's a lot harder to find 17's that work with the Baer's too.
Wilwood never released the rear disk conversion. I have the only rear kit Wilwood ever did, but someone else here fabbed their own rear kit using Wilwood calipers.
As far as I know, the main reason Wilwood never released the kit was due to sales of front kit. They weren't selling enough to warrant the development/production of the rears.
FstCavZ24 wrote:I have the only rear kit Wilwood ever did
Indeed you do but the e-brake was never hooked up. Did you ever get around/fix that?
FstCavZ24 wrote:I have the only rear kit Wilwood ever did.
and I hate you for it.
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FstCavZ24 wrote:Baer never released the 12" front kit, only the 13" is available.
That is up for debate
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Anyway, both setups are nice, all depends on the style you're looking for. If you're concious about weight/speed etc, then wilwoods would be better. If you want the biggest looking brake setup you can get, go Baer.
As for the rear setup, I was thinking about it the other day, and realized how easy it could be to manufacture a rear wilwood kit using their powerlite calipers that look similar to the dynapros, and make an 11.75" rear kit to match the fronts. It really wouldn't take much R&D at all, with the exception that you would have to give up your ebrake. Wilwood does have their new combination ebrake caliper though, although it wouldn't look as pretty.
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FlipSpeed wrote:As far as I know, the main reason Wilwood never released the kit was due to sales of front kit. They weren't selling enough to warrant the development/production of the rears.
FstCavZ24 wrote:I have the only rear kit Wilwood ever did
Indeed you do but the e-brake was never hooked up. Did you ever get around/fix that?
I have no need for an ebrake so it's been super low priority. Once I have a need it'll be a quick and easy fix.
Viper98912 wrote:FstCavZ24 wrote:Baer never released the 12" front kit, only the 13" is available.
That is up for debate .
I'm not sure what the debate is. Baer said they never finished R&D on it. Point to one person that has it and I'll retract my statement.
I personally believe it was never made, but there has been rumorville around here that one or two people bought it WAYYY back in the day. If it does exist, I'd like to see it, and Baer advertised it for many years, so I don't know who to believe. That's why its up for debate.
As for your rear kit, did you ever post any pix? What caliper and rotor setup is used on that?
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i for one believe chad, he knows first hand as so do i.
I have been to the baer facility and have friends there.
it was never made.
but truth be told all that is needed is a bracket to move the caliper in more
Justin, what was the stock rim the Baer's fit on?
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What about SSBC big brake kit? Did they ever make it or was my car with it the only one. By the way my ebrake worked and Those are 18 inch motegi mr7 on it. I never had a chance to try any other rims on it to se if they would fit. Hear are some pics of it.
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no you're not the only....but he was just asking opinions on baer and wilwood
i would take the wilwoods over ssbc....i maybe biased b/c i already have the wilwoods but the wilwood calipers and 2-piece rotors are hell of alot sexier than the ssbc
ssbc's fronts are nasty to many bolts showing , their 4 piston kit when they made it was nice looking , but was even worse than baers for finding wheels that fit with out spacers
ive got the 12"baers for my gtp , pretty much same as the 13" just 1" smaller , ive got no idea why they made suck a complicated bracket for um either the 12"F-body stuff bolts right on
FlipSpeed wrote:^^^
no you're not the only....but he was just asking opinions on baer and wilwood
i would take the wilwoods over ssbc....i maybe biased b/c i already have the wilwoods but the wilwood calipers and 2-piece rotors are hell of alot sexier than the ssbc
I was just throwing that out there because he was asking about the e-brake and I knew mine worked with that setup. I was just trying to help the OP explore all his options...if it was an option. I just do not here them mentioned at all and I was not sure if it was because they were never produced or what. Thanks for the info though.
By the way those rims fit without a spacer and were the regular offset.
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Well, you can fit 16's over Wilwoods... need 17's to run Baers
not sure if that's a pro or con
how hard would it be to fab up a wilwood rear disk brake kit?
LarryMartin830 wrote:how hard would it be to fab up a wilwood rear disk brake kit?
The better you are at fabrication the easier it will be.
The way the willwoods layed out it really wasnt that bad. It lined stright up with the axle flange the drums bolted too. The only thing with the willwood rears is you loose your parking brake.
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the baer rear disc conversion lets you keep your ebrake, yes?
Atomic wrote:The only thing with the willwood rears is you loose your parking brake.
you could always get a line lock and try that
bear lets you keep your e-brake
Line loc is not meant to hold the brakes for prolonged periods of time.
