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neon swap questions?????
Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:16 PM
I had a few questions that may or may not of been asked before but.....
1) are there any REAL benefits to doing the rear swap?
2)did anyone ever figure out how to hook the e-brake to the setup?
3)can the factory Master cylinder be used?
4)how is the wear on the fronts and rear compared to stock?
5)what were the negative effects of this swap after it was done?(ex. excessive wear?, line leak....etc)
6)what is the weight difference between both setup?
Like I said sorry if these were covered at one point in time, I was planning to do the swap but having hard time finding Neon sports to get bracket from, and was thinking maybe the intrepid, or another car to use brackets from. Thank you in advance for anyone to answer these


"As I lay rubber down the street, I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God protect my ride." -Amen

Re: neon swap questions?????
Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:34 PM
So let me get this straight......your not sure if they have been asked or even answered but yet you want us to spoon-feed you the answers since you're too F'n lazy to READ!

Screw that. Hit the search button or hit the road, you think we all post on here just to re-post the same crap all over again for people like you?



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Re: neon swap questions?????
Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:00 AM
yes i went through all those but getting opinions from the guys that did it, I ve been on this site long enough to know read first, thats why asked specific questions


"As I lay rubber down the street, I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God protect my ride." -Amen
Re: neon swap questions?????
Friday, May 01, 2009 5:54 AM
AJ B wrote:1) are there any REAL benefits to doing the rear swap?


Of course, you have high braking capacity and when you brake the car slows and stops flat, no diving in the front which is really nice.

AJ B wrote:2)did anyone ever figure out how to hook the e-brake to the setup?



Come on man, this is all over the sticky, YES! It hooks up to the factory 02- lines, if your swapping a 03+ you will need to change out to 02- cables.

AJ B wrote:3)can the factory Master cylinder be used?


Yes

AJ B wrote:4)how is the wear on the fronts and rear compared to stock?


Well, 'stock' the rear uses shoes and not pads so I'm not sure how to answer this one. But the pad wear depends on more things like driving habits than anything else, so yours will be different than anybody else's.

AJ B wrote:5)what were the negative effects of this swap after it was done?(ex. excessive wear?, line leak....etc)


You will only have negative effects is you don't do it right.

AJ B wrote:6)what is the weight difference between both setup?


Umm.....more than stock, about as much as a disc brake setup that should have been there in the first place.



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Re: neon swap questions?????
Friday, May 01, 2009 8:58 AM
Josh, the brakes (especially the rears) have nothing to do with the front end dive, that's suspension settings/geometry.




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Re: neon swap questions?????
Friday, May 01, 2009 9:31 AM
^Wrong.

Sure, you can put incredibly stiff suspension in the front to combat the dive....but that's not the best solution and the handling/ride quality would suck. The best solution is to have 50/50 braking.

Your forgetting how our rear suspension is set up....think about it. With better brakes on the rear it works similar in principle to that of a sway bar......or should we just get super stiff suspension instead of sway bars too?





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Re: neon swap questions?????
Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:25 PM
Also, the placement of where the calipers are placed on the rotor have alot to do with how the car reacts to the clamping of the pads.
Opposing calipers front and rear offer a better anti-dive property than calipers in the same plane to each other front to rear.
Look at all the true sports cars in where the caliper are in relationship to the rotors and what position they are.
There's a pattern here and must work.
Suspension geometry has alot to do with eliminating brake dive too but the engineering is usually more than what most people want to pay for the anti-dive.



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Re: neon swap questions?????
Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:45 AM
Josh I should of been a little more speciafic with ebrake question lol, I have a '99 and was thinking you may have to extend or make a custom cable for it, but at least I know might be able to do it.and as for the wear question, I was thinking since most drum setups start with drum first them fronts, that there may be over use to the pads, but Im not sure seeing as how looks like someone mentioned the fact of needing to add to the lines for psi....ya sorry I know most of the good ol' @!#$ty fords are like that, alot of the guys at work think its a waste of time, and wouldn't work right, and I have seen alot of people doing it on here thats why figured Id get imput from the guys that did it, for those that helped thanks


"As I lay rubber down the street, I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God protect my ride." -Amen
Re: neon swap questions?????
Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:17 PM
AJ B wrote:I was thinking since most drum setups start with drum first them fronts, that there may be over use to the pads, but Im not sure seeing as how looks like someone mentioned the fact of needing to add to the lines for psi....ya sorry I know most of the good ol' @!#$ty fords are like that, alot of the guys at work think its a waste of time, and wouldn't work right, and I have seen alot of people doing it on here thats why figured Id get imput from the guys that did it, for those that helped thanks



The drums don't engage before the fronts at all if that's what your asking, as for the rest^. Sorry man, but I don't have a clue what your talking about.


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Re: neon swap questions?????
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:57 PM
I just got the neon set up on my cavy and I got the e-brake hooked up. All i had to do was grind down a peice to fit in the cavy e-brake cable. I see lots of positives so far and no negatives.

Re: neon swap questions?????
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:40 PM
Good to hear JAS.
I canceled my backorder from Summit Racing on the EBC rotors because they continued to backorder them every couple of weeks.
So I ordered the same rotors from USA Autoparts and should have them in by next week to complete my installation of the rear swap.
I'll have to order another e-brake cable because the one I had wouldn't disassemble at the end of the cables without cutting them off.
So for now, I'll just have to eliminate the e-brake.
Some pictures and a review JAS would be nice.


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