ok well i was doing my own alignment at work fri (tech for landrovers) ..ne-waz i noticed that my rear is toe is off by 10 seconds of a degree for the RH. would a reg washer for a spacer be to thick or to small..i really don't feel like pulling a trial and error to find the right size..all help is great

10 seconds of a degree?

if its in stock spec then you shouldnt have to mess with it.

if its out of stock spec, then get a shim kit thats made for it, and dont bushleague it with washers. if you;re a tech at a landrover place you shouldnt have much a problem ordering a proper shim kit for it.

but def know what the stock spec is supposed to be.

Ten seconds of a degree is not very much at all. If it is of that much, it should still be i spec. If you wanna be obsessive about it (I am in many ways) then a shim kit is the way to go. Like Event said, don't use washers or anything like that. For one, you are most likely going to make it worse or not help at all. Good luck

Nick


Go Go OG Traction!!

well i know there are shim kits..just the ppl you talk to on the phone when ordering..sometimes know sh*t all. i'm basically trying to get unterstanding of how thick the shim/spacer will be. i know what i said before..just didn't com out right. but yah ne-waz its off by 10sec's of a degree..its just out of spec which is causing the rear to be worn fast on the inside..cambers good and the rear axel beam is inalign so i just need to adjust the rear toe. in other words i'm dog-tracking and want to know how thick the spacer should be around to adjust 10 seconds of a degree. when i get a chance i'm just going to go to a alignment shop..they'll know for sure but i posted to see if anyone might know 100% by heart. see landrovers(99+) that we work on either have a solid rear end or are adjustible, so we don't care to keep shims for alignment in stock, plus the ppl i'd be ordering from are in england(being that we're a English car dealership,rovers, jag, astons, bently..etc) so doubt they know about j-bodies..and if i call up a shop here in montreal, canada..i'd prob be talkin to some french men (hehe no offense)..but kinda see what i'm gettin at..ne-waz thanx guys

10 seconds of a degree?

.100 is a tenth
.010 is a hundredth
.001 is a thousandths


what exactly is 10 seconds? 10 seconds is a measurement of time for the most part.

can you post the actual numerical figure?


unless you autox, camber shouldnt be much if any on the rear or the front.

if you need shims, you should get the correct ones. local dealership or local autoparts store.

most washers are atleast .10 thick, which can give you way more in terms of degrees. shims are like slivers of a washer at times.



also vauxhall is basically an english company, and also gm owned. there are some cars that were similar throughout the years to the j-body, and since not much has changed, should have some parts similar.

Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:10 seconds of a degree?

.100 is a tenth
.010 is a hundredth
.001 is a thousandths


what exactly is 10 seconds? 10 seconds is a measurement of time for the most part.

can you post the actual numerical figure?


unless you autox, camber shouldnt be much if any on the rear or the front.

if you need shims, you should get the correct ones. local dealership or local autoparts store.

most washers are atleast .10 thick, which can give you way more in terms of degrees. shims are like slivers of a washer at times.



also vauxhall is basically an english company, and also gm owned. there are some cars that were similar throughout the years to the j-body, and since not much has changed, should have some parts similar.

The words minute and second used in this context have no immediate connection to how those words are usually used as amounts of time. In a full circle there are 360 degrees.
Each degree is split up into 60 parts, each part being 1/60 of a degree. These parts are called minutes.
Each minute is split up into 60 parts, each part being 1/60 of a minute. These parts are called seconds.
So 10 degreee seconds would be written as º '10"

You guys kind of understanding, it's a unit of measurement. Basically in the states you guys would most likly use Degree/min and in Canada we would use Degree/sec ..a.k.a standard(US)...Metric(CAN)

haha..but it's cool though, I'm just going to check out an alignment shop and see if i can buy the shim kit there....thank

EdgeZ24 wrote:

Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:10 seconds of a degree?

.100 is a tenth
.010 is a hundredth
.001 is a thousandths


what exactly is 10 seconds? 10 seconds is a measurement of time for the most part.

can you post the actual numerical figure?


unless you autox, camber shouldnt be much if any on the rear or the front.

if you need shims, you should get the correct ones. local dealership or local autoparts store.

most washers are atleast .10 thick, which can give you way more in terms of degrees. shims are like slivers of a washer at times.



also vauxhall is basically an english company, and also gm owned. there are some cars that were similar throughout the years to the j-body, and since not much has changed, should have some parts similar.

The words minute and second used in this context have no immediate connection to how those words are usually used as amounts of time. In a full circle there are 360 degrees.
Each degree is split up into 60 parts, each part being 1/60 of a degree. These parts are called minutes.
Each minute is split up into 60 parts, each part being 1/60 of a minute. These parts are called seconds.
So 10 degreee seconds would be written as º '10"

You guys kind of understanding, it's a unit of measurement. Basically in the states you guys would most likly use Degree/min and in Canada we would use Degree/sec ..a.k.a standard(US)...Metric(CAN)

i understand that, but even from the gm shop manual, the measurements are in tenths, hundredths, etc. also what i;m used to in germany as well. but different countries, different measurements

might be different if they have a manual with canadian measurements, but gm usually goes with decimal type measurements.

heres an example of one of my alignment printouts from a while ago. i still frequent the same place

<img src="http://tiger.towson.edu/~apittm1/align.jpg">

it has degrees, but its also in degree of angles and uses decimal points

sorry cant help ya off hand with the measurement, but if the way you said the measurement is the standard up there, then most any decent local autopart store should be able to get you the parts. def alot better than using a random washer

Your car handled much better on left hand turns didn't it? You got toe-out on the left and toe-in on the right in the rear.

10 seconds of a degree = 0.0028 degrees

That is very small. Is there equipment out there that measures that accurately?



tygriff

Zach wrote:Your car handled much better on left hand turns didn't it? You got toe-out on the left and toe-in on the right in the rear.

my old theory on that before i got it corrected was the fact the majority of the weight distribution was left side

but its pretty even now.