I am about to do a V6 Swap on a 2000 Z24 5 speed car for a freind. Will the Quad 4 trans work with the V6? I tihink I remember somewhere reading that I would have to use the trans from a 2.2 car? Thanks for the help.
Are you asking what auto tranny to use or 5 spd? What year is the quad 4 tranny? I think you can use the z24 tranny that is in the car. It will bolt up but I think you have to do some work in the clutch area. I did an auto swap, there are a couple of guys that have the 5 spd.
If your going for the auto, the 4spd 4t40e out of a 01'ish malibu is the same as the cav. and since it comes with a 3.1 it will be an easy swap if you want the 3.1.
but because the maliby didnt have a 5 spd the auto would be the easiest choice.
The 3.4 was never offered with a 5spd there is no factory programming that will work the car like factory either. The only choice there is the grand am 4t45e auto 4spd, it also will take the cavalier axles. and is a direct drop in. The only problem there is the grand am is that the gas guage in the cluster will not recognize the serial data from the PCM. Your going to have to use the cav PCM for the guage, which is a little tricky but can be done.
Both are excellent choices, direct bolt on parts and you will keep the functionality of the guages, mil speedo, tach , and so on. look in the topic progress in v-6 swap for some more details.
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Ok Thats what I need to know guys thanks, I intend on keeping the 5 speed option for the car with a 00 or newer 3x00. The guy Im doin it for isnt relly worried about keeping the cluster as he wants all auto meter gauges. Probly just gonna use a 3400 from a Venture with a Holley Commander setup. Thanks a million guys.
Sorry about the mis info on the quad 4 tranny. New B wasnt thinking here.
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Its ok Joe we wont shoot you this time.
Its been a while since I had a Quad tranny of any description out or even to look at so I just wanted to make sure. Thanks for the info guys.
Hey! I'll pay good money for the wiring harness for the engine out of the Cavy. How about a deal? My email is in my profile.
O noes!
im also going to do a v6 swap in a 98 sunfire 2200 isuzu 5 speed. im looking in to a 3.1 out of a malbu same year every thing will work i just need a progream job at my loc dealer the service guy owes me a faver . the only engine that will bolt to that tranny is the 3.4 dohc with mite be a plus with 200 hp and about 220- 235 tq
The service guy can owe you all the favors he wants. He's not getting you a 3100 5spd program. Just aint possible.
but it is possible to flash the specs for a 98 grand am 3400 5 speed . plan on boreing and possible strocking 3100 if he car im going to look at has a 3100
When you furnish a valid vin # for a 3.4 or a 3.1 with a 5-spd in a 98 then Ill believe you? If you dont have a valid vin the dealer cant do anything for you. Their programmer only works by a vin #.
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have you ever laid your hands on a gmtech2 scanner . i programmed a car in tech school about 2 years ago . and still have acc to the scanner and the pass word to et on the gm web site to lod the flash
ok your right about a 98 but have you seen the 2007 grand am with a 3.4 and 5 speed
No I havent , And I seriously dout you have either. Espeacially being they dont use a 3.4 any more. They use a 3.5 now.
Hey what about hooking me up with that wiring harness out of the Z??
O noes!
ill fine the web site agein and post the link
http://www.gmtcny.com/index.htm
Yeah I have the web site too. You gotta put in a vin and the validation digit has to be correct.
If you say you can do it , well good for you.
Im done here.
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Where and how do you do what your talking about.
That site has the entire user guide in pdf format, tell me where your seeing that you can pick any option like a 5 spd. Tell me what page and section I can find that info?
http://service.gm.com/userguides/english/t2ug-en.pdf
You know i dont mean to sound like a smart ass, Its just that no one ,no where has told me that you can pick any option and have it programmed with it.
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Ok Smokey, this is all still in planning stage right now, as soon as I start the project I will ask my friend what he wants for the original harness. Ok now for Joe, You CAN NOT select specific "options" as far as GM programming goes. You can only go by what VIN is input to the Tech 2 or by manual entry into a GM Dealer Tech Terminal only, as long as it was a factory option, so Joe is right in this case. What I refered to as a 5 speed option was with all aftermarket PCM and programming, as in the Holley Commander PCM with custom programming and other aftermarket equipment. Ok now for Robert, yes I have very good experience with a Tech 2. I worked for a local GM dealer for 3.5 yrs doing mostly Corvette and Cadillac as my speacialty, with FWD autos as a secondary speacialty. I am not the most up to date on NEW GM, but from what I've seen neither are you. Swapping and mismatching parts or in this case programming of multiple PCMs, dont argue with the people who have already done it and made it work, it just makes you look like an ass. If you do have a valid point, tell us EXACTLY what you are talking about, give us real programming numbers or real info we can use. BTW I'm not trying to be an ass but I get really tired of someone telling me what they know ,or really dont know by actions, and just causing problems. Thanks for any useful info you can post, Paul.
91Z,
The previous post that I made were to prove a point to robert about the gm PCM flash capabilities. I know there are other aftermarket possabilities but GM isnt the place to look for what you want to do.
I agree with you on the guys posting supposed fact info, If they havent actually done it then dont bother posting at all. We are looking at real fact info not what some one told you or text book theories. Someone said the factory tach wouldnt work with a v-6 swap but it does. And perfectly too. Yeah my theory would be that it wouldnt work either.
Hey when you get around to putting in a gas gauge let me know where you get one at. I found one but it works backwards. That is the only gauge that I didnt get to work in the cav cluster with my swap.
I found a company called Nordskog that will build a gauge to my specs, thats the only co. that I can find. But I havent gotten a price quote yet either from them.
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My plan on the fuel gauge was use an Auto Meter gauge that was ment to be used with a GM fuel sender. I "think" its 90 ohms full and 0 ohms empty for most newer GMs, if you could test yours or even get a spec from Mitchell it may work with a Auto Meter GM fuel gauge. Thats just an idea that may or may not work for us ?? That was my plan for the swap I'm planning. If thats what you come up with on the ohm readings it should work. You can get various Auto Meter Fuel gauges for like 35 to 40 bucks. I am only suggesting this as it may be few weeks before I get started on my swap. Your sender is a 2000 Cav right? If so I will test one the morning and let you know.
Yeah thats the problem, the AM companies dont recognize the newer senders which are from about 40 ohm's empty to 250 ohm's full. The After Market gauges have a universal that reads 240 empty and 33 full. Its backwards. Every gauge that I have looked at is the same way. The company that I contacted, Nordskog says that he has never heard of that resistance reading, but can make me one for a special order.
I know its a GM and Its supposed to be 0 empty and 90 full but not in our cars it isnt. Also not in the grand ams either. I think it has to do with the fact that the PCM directly reads the resistance on a digital scale.
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Thats the same conclusion I've come to today, all the aftermarket gauges would be ass backwards and thats useing only the correct ohm range gauges, but there again it would be backwards, not to mention its made for a Ford. Im going to do a little more research monday an see what I can find. The sender I tested today was from a 01 Grand Am and it had the same ohm reading as the Cav specs, Im gonna try and contact GM Tech assistance and see what I can find out. I will post as soon as I know.
