I feel like a newb for even asking this but here it goes.....
Im swapping in a 2.2 Ecotec motor with the GM supercharger...... What mods other than the supercharger, will allow me to beat a near stock 05 Mustang GT (exhaust and intake).
My friend just got the car and now he's all high and mighty about the stupid thing. He doesnt know the first thing about working on cars, and he's trying to tell me to go out and buy something like his, and telling me theres no way i can beat his Mustang with a 4cyl. Which of course he's full of @!#$. Basicly we made a bet for $100 that I can beat his mustang next summer when my car comes out of the shop. So I have a year from now to get this done.
My thinking is...
-GM supercharger with fully functional intercooler and 2.8" pulley
- bigger injectors
- intake/header/full exhaust
- and possibly a wet nitrous system (50 shot)
I dunno so give me some input... I know the blower for the 2.2 ecotec is fairly new and the full potential on them hasnt been reached yet. I just need to beat him and put him in his place. And no this isnt some street racing bull... were going to head down to beaver springs when we do this to the race track.
sooory just had to but....................boost forum.........lol
yea that should be good enough...........throw som cams in the mix too
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i was going to put it there but its not really a boost question... I'm looking for what i need performance wise to accomplish this.
I thought you were in the middle of swapping in the 3.8 SC motor
sigh
no, ive posted about it numerous times now.... Its just to much time and money for me working full time and being a full time college student. I'm still keeping the motor though for the future.
well, good luck anyways. I'd definitely do an S/C'ed 2.2 Eco swap if I had the time and money to do so. I'd look into the Stage 2 upgrades from GM. But I'm not sure if it is only for the SS/SC 'balts and Redline Ions. I think with the right upgrades the S/C'd Eco could make as much or more power than the 3.8 SC.
leave out the nitrous...
2.8" pulley
440cc injectors should do it...
Intake, Header (i'd go with 4-2-1, better overall power gain, not as much top end gain as a 4-1 but adds more throughout the whole racing powerband), Exhaust (i recommend 2.5", 3" is probably overkill, 2.25" may be too small).
Motor Mounts... i don't doubt that the stock ones will fail pretty quickly at the level of power you want
That's enough to make 270whp on an LSJ-equipped cobalt SS... with the 2.2's higher compression and bigger displacement, it should make as much, if not more with the same mods.
BUT, here's the catch.... HPTUNERS!!! Get a good dyno tune done by a shop who knows their stuff, and bring the rev limit up a little (valvesprings are added insurance here but the stockers should still be safe for 7000 rpm... personally, i'd do them anyway just to be safe).
Tuned for 93 octane, with a fairly agressive, but still safe timing map, and you should have ZERO problems schooling a stock 05... you'll have almost as much whp, and something like a 400-500 lbs weight difference. With a ported blower housing, ported head, and cams, you may well be able to get near or over 300whp.
Oh yeah, do a custom intercooler reservoir with a big enough tank and cap to put ice in it
If you want, have your tuner write a map for race gas with ice in the reservoir while tuning... could probably squeeze quite a bit more out of it that way.
It all depends on your funds, but I don't doubt that the 2.2 with a supercharger can break 300whp with well chosen mods and a good tune... and that should be more than enough for a high 11 second 1/4 mile... Can you tell i've been thinking about this a lot?
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hmmm.... Your idea sounds like the route I may go then
yes your post relates to boost , and should have been in there , all parts your gonna be wanting will be based off the fact youll have the s/c
#1 return your cav back to the stock body , and ditch 80% of the audio equipment you have
header back exhaust , either full 2 1/4" or 2 1/2" , high flow cat
60mm or larger tb
drag radials , light weight wheels
with the stock 3.35 pulley you should be able to keep up with a V8 stang , pretty easy
all the extra dead weight on your car is going to hurt you
yea i was going to say break all the bondo off the car first....
a stock weight cav with s/c, header and exhaust should be in the 13s. I think 05 GT mustangs run 13.9-14.0. If so you don't need all that much more than the s/c and exhaust to beat it.
15.574 @ 89 mph stock without charger. new times with charger coming soon.
since when do i have a lot of audio equipment? everything is factory replacement stuff
I plan on taking a lot of weight off the car, so it should at least be back to stock weight...
but anyway, sounds good guys, im still probably going to go the extra mile with it because I want him to cry like a little baby if I pull this off
Are you gonna tell him your supercharged or go for the sleeper look and not tell him anything but basic mods? It would be even better if he thought you didn't have much under the hood, and then you blow him away
^^^ Granted that would be sweet, but as soon as the engine gets higher in the rpm range the whine from the charger would kick in. Atleast I would assume it does.
Alex wrote:^^^ Granted that would be sweet, but as soon as the engine gets higher in the rpm range the whine from the charger would kick in. Atleast I would assume it does.
Yea but I mean is, up until the race, don't tell him about the s/c. Let him figure it out after he gets smoked.
Arnjolt wrote:Don't forget Alcohol Injection.
why? alcohol injection injection for a setup only making 300 hp is a bandaid fix for those with little tuning capability.... with HPT, there should be no need for alky whatsoever. And alky system would only add weight and more hassle of keeping another bottle filled...
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i use my alky set up to cool the s/c
I think what im going to do is go with scarabs idea.... although i want to run a smaller pulley..... but a nice dyno and tune day would be just what I would need after its all said and done. It would definitly be worth it in the end.
Funny story though... this kid has been my best friend since kidnergarten, and shortly after I bought my cavalier, he went out and bought (at the time), a brand new cavalier. It was a 2.2 liter 5 speed. Yes, a turd like mine, and thats why he says theres no way I can make a 4cyl faster than his "badass" mustang. I already told him that im going to drop in the ecotec and get a supercharger, but he's still in denile. As far as he knows, he has no clue what else i have in store for the motor, and just how mnuch potential this little four-banger really has.
I have a lot of research to do over the summer, and set up a game plan and a final goal so i can get moving on this project.
i got my methonal/water stuff in a tank not a bottle.
anyways. good luck
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]i use my alky set up to cool the s/c
on the 2.4 or the eco? cuz the m62 shouldn't need any cooling, its not nearly maxxed as the m45 and has an intercooler to boot. And i'd be nervous about spraying anything on those teflon coated rotors. I'm not saying water/alky doesn't have its uses, but in all seriousness, its not necessary at all on a ~300 whp car if you've got PROPER tuning.
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Scarab (Jersey Jay 1.8T) wrote:[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]i use my alky set up to cool the s/c
on the 2.4 or the eco? cuz the m62 shouldn't need any cooling, its not nearly maxxed as the m45 and has an intercooler to boot. And i'd be nervous about spraying anything on those teflon coated rotors. I'm not saying water/alky doesn't have its uses, but in all seriousness, its not necessary at all on a ~300 whp car if you've got PROPER tuning.
He has a point , but the meth/water system i was reading in hot rod that they can play with the timming more for a more agressive tune and be safer! But like you said with the m62 already being intercooled and everything i wouldnt worry to much about the meth/water system!.........
Ive been around the mustang all my life! The 05 gt stock can run 13.8-13.7 with a header back exh. system they can run 13.4 to a 13.1 depending on driver!
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blue04sunfire wrote:Scarab (Jersey Jay 1.8T) wrote:[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]i use my alky set up to cool the s/c
on the 2.4 or the eco? cuz the m62 shouldn't need any cooling, its not nearly maxxed as the m45 and has an intercooler to boot. And i'd be nervous about spraying anything on those teflon coated rotors. I'm not saying water/alky doesn't have its uses, but in all seriousness, its not necessary at all on a ~300 whp car if you've got PROPER tuning.
He has a point , but the meth/water system i was reading in hot rod that they can play with the timming more for a more agressive tune and be safer! But like you said with the m62 already being intercooled and everything i wouldnt worry to much about the meth/water system!.........
Ive been around the mustang all my life! The 05 gt stock can run 13.8-13.7 with a header back exh. system they can run 13.4 to a 13.1 depending on driver!
you revived a 3 year old thread and things have def changed over the last 3 years w/ the m62 setup, etc.
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