wut is about the max hp that people have seen on the m45? i want to go sc but my goal is between 225-250 whp.. this can be achieved with proper tuning and mods right? and is the vortech supercharger any better at achieving this?
Your goal can be acheived with supporting mods. Most people think it is not, but with HP tuners this is now a reality. I doubt the vortech supercharger is any better for reaching your goal. One thing for sure is it is poorly designed. You are far better off with the gm kit.
As far as the highest abyone has dynoed with it I would like to know myself. I hit 214whp but there is know way I am the highest.
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Stay away from the Vortech kit.
M45 has potential for what you're looking for, alcohol injection and smaller pulleys are a must though! BTW in my opinion 250whp is pretty much max for the lil M45. I was content with mine, and if you want more, there's always a little N2O
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thnx guys, wut "supporting" mods would be a must? i was already considering the alky injection and smaller pulleys, but when i rebuild are there any specific parts that i should look for?
don't be afraid to raise compression.. its probably the only way your going to make more power with the m45
I haven't seen anyone hit 250 yet, maybe it can be done but would certainly take some work.
Joe, didn't you get rid of the m45 kit you won after you were disappointed with it's results? I didn't get the impression you were content with it.
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RyZ96 wrote:don't be afraid to raise compression.. its probably the only way your going to make more power with the m45
thats the answer im lookin for... how high could i take it and still be safe?
10:1 and maxed out M45 with my setup. 226 HP and 190 TQ
Zduece4 wrote:RyZ96 wrote:don't be afraid to raise compression.. its probably the only way your going to make more power with the m45
thats the answer im lookin for... how high could i take it and still be safe?
it really depends on alot of things, no one can tell you..you'll be safe at this CR and boost. its all about the design of alot of things. like pistons, cams, DCR and the tune, alot relies on the tune.
mitdr774 wrote:10:1 and maxed out M45 with my setup. 226 HP and 190 TQ
is that whp or crank? i like the way ur setup is.. how much power did u get with the built motor minus the sc? and would u mind pm'ing me on wut i need to build like u did?
What about the m65 like on the 2.0L supercharged Ecotecs?
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yea, wouldnt i have to get a custom manifold for that tho??
Ya, but if recall a org. member has a guy in the process of producing a manifold to fit the 2.4L and run the m62 supercharger. I can't think of the guys name though.... But you would use everything in the GM 2.4L kit minus the manifold he said. Probably would want to run the bigger injectors as well like many have done with the ss and redline injectors modifying the stock fuel rail.
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Zduece4 wrote:thnx guys, wut "supporting" mods would be a must? I was already considering the alky injection and smaller pulleys, but when i rebuild are there any specific parts that i should look for?
You will need different injectors to go with the smaller pulley and a HP tuners modified GM reflash. I do not think you will hit your goal with the regular GM reflash. Cams and a full exhaust will also help. If you swap pulley sizes alky injection is a must. 250 whp is what I am aiming for. You will probably be following in my footsteps.
So 226whp is the highest so far??!! I figured someone had dynoed more than 226 whp with the M45.
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Airtonics wrote:Joe, didn't you get rid of the m45 kit you won after you were disappointed with it's results? I didn't get the impression you were content with it.
The first kit I sold to pay off some bills, but then I ran across the second kit, where the prior owner had broke off a corner of the flange. I talked him into selling it cheap to me, and a local racecar fab shop I frequent fixed it up for $80.
I stayed stock pulley, but added the CoolingMist kit which helped out a ton.....though in order to maintain cooler temps it had to pretty much be on constantly, because once the charger became heat soaked it had a helluva time cooling it back, and never really did.
I left the last kit on until I had decided to sell the car, and in the end I was pretty disappointed that I had to rely on the alcohol injection to have a semi-quick car, and without it the damn thing felt near stock. With the alcohol injection and stock pulley I ran 4-5 14.7's during opening day at Martin, so it was pretty consistant, and that was in full street trim. Just wasn't enough to tickle me.
I drove the car NA for a little bit before selling it, and I felt the same way JayVan did after selling his and rolling NA for a while. I liked it. No 1st gear bog, power in the lower RPM's.......all stuff I missed with the charger installed.
I'm not knocking it though, I loved the simplicity of the install, the factory looks, and from a roll I surprised quite a few cars with it......not to mention the whine turned a lot of heads, because here boosted sport compacts aren't as common.
Timothy Pietraallo wrote:Ya, but if recall a org. member has a guy in the process of producing a manifold to fit the 2.4L and run the m62 supercharger. I can't think of the guys name though.... But you would use everything in the GM 2.4L kit minus the manifold he said. Probably would want to run the bigger injectors as well like many have done with the ss and redline injectors modifying the stock fuel rail.
Although there is intrest in it. It seems to be all talk. Many people say they are going to make a manifold but noone does. I would just forget about that thread. It has been dead for sometime now.
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wade... u have to remind ppl that u have a COMPLETLY stock exhuast. and the 2.8" stock gm sized S/C pulley... only mods you have are a 56mm TB, gm reflash tuned with hp tuners, a custom CAI and engine mounts.
you hit 214whp.
im saying with JUST a full exhuast you'd hit at least 225, then secret cams, 2.6" pulley, clutch/flywheel/tranny mounts and say a 62mm TB... id say you would be right on the edge of 250whp.
IMO... 250whp is VERY achievable with an m45.
UFlip06 said it best: Just look underneath the engine and if you see big hairy balls it's a 2.4 Twin Cam, if they're shaved it's an Ecotec and if you see nothing it's a 2200!
Wade Jarvis wrote:Your goal can be acheived with supporting mods. Most people think it is not, but with HP tuners this is now a reality. I doubt the vortech supercharger is any better for reaching your goal. One thing for sure is it is poorly designed. You are far better off with the gm kit.
The vortech supercharger itself is a good design, the kit put forth by RSM is whats bad.
-Chris
so u need the cooling mist on at all times to keep the heat down? how often does a tank of that last?
You can also get the M45 ported for an extra 20-25% more flow
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10:1 and maxed out M45 with my setup. 226 HP and 190 TQ
I still believe you have more left in your setup, your just at the end of that tune. Once you get a good tune with the alky injection, I believe you will be around the 250 mark.
Jason
99 Z24
157hp/171tq
wheres my boost??
z yaaaa wrote:wade... u have to remind ppl that u have a COMPLETLY stock exhuast. and the 2.8" stock gm sized S/C pulley... only mods you have are a 56mm TB, gm reflash tuned with hp tuners, a custom CAI and engine mounts.
you hit 214whp.
im saying with JUST a full exhuast you'd hit at least 225, then secret cams, 2.6" pulley, clutch/flywheel/tranny mounts and say a 62mm TB... id say you would be right on the edge of 250whp.
IMO... 250whp is VERY achievable with an m45.
Good point. I would also like to point out that having Stigmier port and polish the M45 will allow it to operate cooler and increase the amount of air it can flow. Noone has posted how much it helps for sure yet.
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Zduece4 wrote:so u need the cooling mist on at all times to keep the heat down? how often does a tank of that last?
I do not yet have this myself so I can not say for sure but from what I have read you would have to beat on it constantly everyday for 2 weeks to go through one gallon.
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I have 9.0.1 compression forged rods/pistons DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!
If you are running the GM SC, DO NOT LOWER COMPRESSION YOU WILL HATE YOURSELF! If anything bump the compression. I am planning on doing an 086 head swap to bump my compression to 10.6.1 to help out. I have evry bolt on imaginable, header, intake, exhaust, pulleys, 2.6 inch pulley, alky, 62mm tb,320ccs, LT1 FPR, HPT, Cartech FMU, cams, etc. Right now I am only seeing 4PSi with the 2.6, could be a lot of different problems. Still need to figure that out and then the car should move. As it sits, it is a dog but is reliable.
Just dont lower the compression, and make sure you are seeing as much boost as you should.
Good luck.
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thnx guys, yea im lookin to go more of the bumpin compression route, everybody's helped me out alot, and im very thankful for that. wut all should i get to go with the 10:1 pistons when i rebuild? ive seen some things that i would need but i need more of a definite list of wut i should get. if possible, let me know of some other things that are optional that could help out too..
z yaaaa wrote:wade... u have to remind ppl that u have a COMPLETLY stock exhuast. and the 2.8" stock gm sized S/C pulley... only mods you have are a 56mm TB, gm reflash tuned with hp tuners, a custom CAI and engine mounts.
you hit 214whp.
im saying with JUST a full exhuast you'd hit at least 225, then secret cams, 2.6" pulley, clutch/flywheel/tranny mounts and say a 62mm TB... id say you would be right on the edge of 250whp.
IMO... 250whp is VERY achievable with an m45.
His car is a freak.
My car, with a VERY similar tune, 2.7" pulley, secret cams, 62mm tb...didn't even crack 200.
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