Ok, where's the best place to get the pieces for a turbo setup?? Im debating whether to build my own or go Hahn, so I wanna add everything up and see how much it will cost. Where did you guys buy everything???
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If you are doing this to the eco, there are a couple companies that make nice mani's, vulcan on here had some pics. Or you can go ebay for mani. I get my turbo stuff from ATP, but there is also cheapturbo.com, places like that.
What all are you looking for?? theres TONS of stuff you are going to need to get, give a list, and I will tell you where I got mine....and anywhere else I have seen that particular thing for cheap.
I need to get EVERYTHING! Just decided yesterday to go turbo'd rather than super. I'm probably gonna buy the turbo from cheapturbo.com, just a small one. Like where should I get charge pipe, gaskets, oil lines, etc.
"You can only feed them semen for so long before their legs fall off."
shop around charge pipes can be bought in bends and like 90% of the people, clamp the @!#$ out of them or weld most of them then clamp where needed. as far as gaskets and oil lines. i got all my stuff through Bonnett on this site for the turbo stuff. he has an account with ATP and saved me a ton. he got me the oil lines, pan fitting, gaskets that were for the turbo i ordered. ATPturbo.com is one of the best sites to use because it tells you at the bottom of the turbo you pick what else you need. i would recommend reading the sticky on top of the page before you decide on boost.
Yeah slow down, you're going to start buying stuff and not understand what you're getting yourself into. READ
" To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous. "
Oh, trust me, i've been reading... I read the K&N intake installtion manual even though I already knew how to do it. Can never be too cautious. I have read almost all the sticky's, i'm just trying to find the best sites with the best deals. When it comes to searching for stuff on the web, I suck.
Here's the bottom line; I'm looking for a moderately sized turbo, but nothing too crazy like 35 psi. Im probably gonna go no more than 7-10 psi....for the moment. Once I build up the bottom end and all that fun stuff, then i'll start shooting for higher boost. I'm in no rush to do this so it will probably be an on going process. I want to build a custom one so I understand more how everything works and what's going on. Hahn is an efficient, but easy way out, and expensive at that.
"You can only feed them semen for so long before their legs fall off."
In that case you might want to check out
http://www.atpturbo.com/ they pretty much have anything turbo related that you might need, minus your manifold. In that respect, they sell log manifolds on ebay, you can hope that one of the tubular designs actually makes it to production, or you can make your own. There are a few supporting sites of JBO that might have stuff for you
www.turbotechracing.com
www.aplusperformance.com
www.jbodysource.com
www.gravanatuning.com
www.carcustoms.com
www.allecotec.com <<< that one might be fairly useful
www.hptuners.com for the tuning if you want to go that route
And theres a guy around here who's name is Bonnett (maybe Bonnet)... you can look him up, he sells a lot of turbo stuff and can probably get you some decent deals.
Cheers, good luck with boost - don't get in over your head is the only thing I can suggest... If you want to do it right expect $4000 all said and done.
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Clarification, 4000US at least
" To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous. "
Senorguitar19 wrote:Oh, trust me, i've been reading... I read the K&N intake installtion manual even though I already knew how to do it. Can never be too cautious. I have read almost all the sticky's, i'm just trying to find the best sites with the best deals. When it comes to searching for stuff on the web, I suck.
Here's the bottom line; I'm looking for a moderately sized turbo, but nothing too crazy like 35 psi. Im probably gonna go no more than 7-10 psi....for the moment. Once I build up the bottom end and all that fun stuff, then i'll start shooting for higher boost. I'm in no rush to do this so it will probably be an on going process. I want to build a custom one so I understand more how everything works and what's going on. Hahn is an efficient, but easy way out, and expensive at that.
if you think the hahn is expensive... i have bad news for you, if you go custom and piece one together, your gonna spend upwards of more than hahn... just to break the news to you.
i did more than i really had to on EVERYTHING and spent around $7000 all said and done, all parts, exhaust, coatings, EVERYTHING. its not cheap, and dont forget to factor in the price of fuel as well.
Ha! That reminds me! Funniest guy i've ever met. Told me a turbo actually increases gas mileage. More air to engine= better mileage apparently. ??? dingus...
So i did some adding up at work the other day. For all the main components (i.e. turbo, mani, inter, BOV, waste, etc....) it would be about 1700 US. Still need to factor in all the small pieces like clamps, couplings and charge piping. What i'm shooting for is to try to make a "hahn stage 2" turbo for the price of a stage 1. Just trying to see if it's possible though.
"You can only feed them semen for so long before their legs fall off."
Senorguitar19 wrote:Ha! That reminds me! Funniest guy i've ever met. Told me a turbo actually increases gas mileage. More air to engine= better mileage apparently. ??? dingus...
actually, in many instances, it can.
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We offer the manifolds...
Rich Grayo Jr. wrote:Senorguitar19 wrote:Ha! That reminds me! Funniest guy i've ever met. Told me a turbo actually increases gas mileage. More air to engine= better mileage apparently. ??? dingus...
actually, in many instances, it can.
True. Just don't expect better gas milage then stock when you get on it.
FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
I got 33MPG cruising on the highway with my Stage 2 HRC kit w/ 16G VS. my 29MPG all stock.
City was closer at 28/26 but it was still a gain.
Racing....well that wasn't MPG...that was GPP. (Gallons Per Pass
)
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Senorguitar19 wrote:Ha! That reminds me! Funniest guy i've ever met. Told me a turbo actually increases gas mileage. More air to engine= better mileage apparently. ??? dingus...
So i did some adding up at work the other day. For all the main components (i.e. turbo, mani, inter, BOV, waste, etc....) it would be about 1700 US. Still need to factor in all the small pieces like clamps, couplings and charge piping. What i'm shooting for is to try to make a "hahn stage 2" turbo for the price of a stage 1. Just trying to see if it's possible though.
I tried... trust me, I thought that way too... it never ends up like that - believe me. You're forgetting injectors, wideband, spark plugs, tubing (EXPENSIVE), exhaust, hptuners (EXPENSIVE) or any other form of tuning (also expensive!), boost controllers, gauge pods, gauges, futtings, couplers, hoses, elbows, hardware etc etc. Any additional labour you need to pay for if you can't weld etc.
Honestly don't get delusional, if you want to do it correctly, you're going to spend upwards of 4-5K. My setup getting things used here and there, and very good deals ran me over 5500CAD. Not to mention anything, ANYTHING, you have to replace or fix or do to your car after going turbo very quickly becomes much more expensive than stock.
It's not cheap, and it's not a good investment. I regret going through with it after calculating how much I spend in total, and now my car is more finicky and less reliable than it would have been if I had left it alone. With that said it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, it sounds awesome and moves like a cavalier shouldn't. I mean think about it before you go ahead, it never ends up being as cheap as you hoped in the first place... take it from first hand experience from people on these forums
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Honestly, for what you're trying to do, look at getting a used turbo off a mid 80's 2.3 turbo Ford motor such as a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 83-86, Mustang SVO 84-86 or Merkur Xr4ti 85-89. All these engines came from the factory with Garret T3 turbos. The auto's came with a 48/60 a/r and the manuals came with a 60/63 a/r and these all have the standard 4 bolt flange. You can get one of these in good used shape for about $150 and they are fairly easy to come by on ebay and other web forums.
If you find one of these cars in the junkyards you can grab the injectors off them as well, or if you really need bigger injectors such as 42# or 55# ones look for the mid-late 80's Ford CFI 5.0's. There will be the "green tops" which are the 42# injectors and the "grey tops" which are the 55# ones. There are only two per motor but these cars a a dime a dozen at most junk yards and the conversion to make them fit on fuel rails is quite easy.
I would say the most expensive thing to purchase will be the engine management, which if you're good with electronics I would recommend setting up a Megasquirt system, they're by far the cheapest management system out there but a PITA to install because you have to basically create a new wiring harness for the motor. Last I checked the newest version was about $400 already assembled.
Let's see if I can do a quick list of pretty much everything you'd need, I know I will probably forget things.
1)Turbo-I would buy a used one in good condition..$150
2)Intercooler-Ebay units do the trick quite nicely in all honesty...$100-150
3)Piping- Universal ebay kits are fairly decent, and if you can fabricate/weld, you can save lots of money...$100-200
4)Exhaust manifold-Totally up to you on that one...
5)Oil feed and drain lines-not sure where to get them, but you could always make your own for the cheap.
6)Exhaust elbow and downpipe-If you buy a T3 off one of the turbo fords www.40bob.com makes a 3"down elbow for them w/o2 bung installed...$100 for elbow, another $100 for down pipe.
7)Exhaust-I would go 3" all the way..$$ depends on what you can do
8)Larger fuel pump- I believe most walbro 255's run around $100-150??
9)Bigger injectors- Depends on what route you want to go for those $40 for the cfi's from a junkyard or up to $200 for new RC's
10)Blow off or bypass valve- I personally like the Forge 004 BOV, it's a dual piston type which is great...$125
11)External Wastegate-38mm will work fine and probably look to spend around $200
12)Engine control system- whatever you go with you will probably spend around $500 or so, I would advise getting a setup that has data-logging capabilities built into it.
13)Wideband O2-Innovative is a highly recommended brand to go with or the AEM is a decent unit as well, $250 for the AEM or $200 for the innovative w/o the gauge.
14)Gauges- I would suggest a Oil pressure gauge, boost/vac gauge and then wideband o2 gauge, these are the most crucial...$$depends on what brand you go with
15)Odd stuff-I would figure on $200 worth of little things that you wouldn't think of normally.
That seems to be about everything I can thing of. Which on the high side would put you right about $3000. But that is pretty much everything that you would need to do it and do it right. IMO, if you like your car but want something faster, build it up. $3000 for a 250whp car is a lot cheaper than buying a new car that costs $25000 for the same power, lol. Plus, it's a great learning experience and to say you did it yourself is that much better.
My brothers setup on his sunfire that he built cost him $1500.00 TOTAL after EVERYTHING you need to compete with the HRC stg 2. He runs mid 13s with his and he uses a baby Garrett T3 43 trim turbo. Granted his isnt nearly as pretty as the HRC is ,but it is a setup that works great and is just as fast. Biggest savior with our instance is that we have the ability to fab nearly everything ourselves.
I do have a BRAND NEW eco turbo manifold I built for sale if you are interested. It is a VERY nice piece and its externally wastegate ready with most of the downpipe. It has heat relief cuts, T3 style 4 bolt flange, SS, and both head side flange and turbo flange are machined for a perfectly flat mating surface. Also I have various other things you will need if you are interested, lemme know.
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Yeah, the classifieds section here is also a great place to get good deals on parts.
If you take the advice 2 posts up and buy a used turbo, factor in a rebuild on it right away. a lot of sellers undermeasure shaft play etc. you can still save $$ over new, and have it perform like new....
I think the estimates 86svo gave are a little low on some things. People are always upgrading thier equipment though, and you can pick up thier old stuff for a steal. Just remember that you got it for a steal if something doesnt work right. I know I have been disappointed on some used parts purchases, but over all I have made out from dealing with org members especially. There are some components I will NOT get used though.
Good luck with your build.
Thanks for all the info guys. This is gonna be a long work in progress basically, due to the price of it. Just gonna buy it piece by piece especially since I just ordered a pacesetter header. Gonna keep the engine n/a for awhile, then ill put the turbo goodies on.
Also, another Q: Will stage 1 cams be ok with a turbo setup??? I know it's better to get the turbo grind, but like i said, im building it up n/a for now then turbo.
"You can only feed them semen for so long before their legs fall off."
yes the stage 1 N/A grinds will be fine just not cut to the best specs for forced induction.
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I have the phat daddy HAHN kit for sale. Check the link in my signature.
C'mon Alan, 13.7 is High 13's not mid.
