well, im convinced that these 2.2l ohc motors cannot see more than 15psi and be reliable on stock internals. Except this time i blew it in front of my house not at the track so it wasent as much fun. I dont know what i want to do now , im getting very greedy and do not wany to settle for anything less than 1 bar of boost. what next? maybee a high compression small block and rwd, sounds like fun.

you expected the 2.2ohv to take 15 psi? on stock internals? hell eyah if it was built



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dude ....... what times were you hitting with 15 psi ???
I'm runnng 11 psi on stock internals for 6 months........ GET A GOOD TUNE AND STOP BEING GREEDY unless you LIKE doing motor swaps !!!

..... never heard of 15 psi on stock internals..... other then on an eco....

GO ECO AND RUN 16 psi stock internals..... lay down like 280 hp and you'll be happy.....

haha ANOTHER 2.2...... GEEEEZEEEE


Lee


JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
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Lee you know my times, but ya i know a 2.20hc cannot take 15psi but i like to push the envelope because its not my daily driver and i have acess to my fathers shop anytime i want. Dont take this post the wrong way I am definitaly not complaining and I hope others will learn from this so they dont swap out engines every week . I just dont want to be another fart can and intake poser thats why all of us our on this forum.

definitely not taking this post the wrong way .... IT"S GREAT TO SEE SOMEONE WILLING TO SEE WHAT THE 2.2 can do .... GO RONALD

let me get this straight though, you have a 2.2 not the 2200 ....

so you added EXTRA injectors ???

and Ronald... good job on blowing the second one ... RESPECT to you for "trying" and I AM convinced that it can handle 15 just with a PERFECT tune ........ standalone would be the only way ..........

I am only 4 psi away from a daily driven 15 psi ................. however well have to wait till the summer.... shes hibernating now ...... but then it will be hardly fair..... 15 will be easy for my motor............


Lee


JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...

Lotsa things to wonder about inna blown engine.

Oil temp? IAT? Stock timing? What do any remaining bearings look like? Any signs of detonation on the plugs? There's a few variables in there.

-->Slow

im blowin holes in the piston, and ya i believe with a really good tune a 2.2ohc can be reliable at 15psi. Lee i do not have the 2200 and i got 2 extra injectors on top of the intake manifold which works out good because with stock injectors and a fmu it would lean out at 7 psi. I was daily driving it with 91 octane at 9 psi with no problems at all but after some wastegate and boost controller problems i switched to a 14.7 pound spring which solved my problem but caused a bigger one(blown Piston). I now wish I remembered to bring a gas can so I could have filled it with race gas instead of 93. I do not know if there are any signs of detonation because the plugs are all oil and it did NOT detonate during my last race. Lee i like your car and how you are patient enough to slowly turn up the boost and your Canadian so we envy your drinking age but despise your 4 packs haha.

haha our 4 packs have more alcolhol in them then your 12ers...thats the only reason you despise... jokes.......

I love it though I come down for a bills game drink 24 beers and go home feeling okay ...

here 24 beers and I'm going to the hospital.....

and yup been drinking "legally" for 2 years now... ONLY 20 ... woohoo...

I envy your driving age........ ours is 17 before you can drive on your own...........

Lee




JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...

when did you charge your car I think we started our projects at the same time ? I too am 20 and went up north over the summer and got super tanked off your Labatt blue and danced on the pole..... ... the girls up there have no sence of humor.

FUC#ING EH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ever heard of Whisky a GO GO .......

BEST STRIP JOINT IN ONTARIO !!! FOR SURE !!!!! 2 seconds from my house.... BOO YA !!!

ya I've been charged for 6 months now ..... late may ....... to now .... 11psi for roughly for 3/4's of that time .... I was nervious because I only test drove turbo cars in the past... I had no idea how the car was going to drive... so i took it easy .....

haha

Ne ways I think your really brave to do 15 psi.... CRAZY I TELL YA.......

hah

Lee


JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...

Got any pics of the pistons? (still sounds like detonation to me...)
Like slowolej, I'd also like to know the condition of the bearings



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

Have you considered switching to an ecm from a turbo car? The tools and knowledge to tune your own OBDI ecm are out there, for about what it costs for another stock engine. Make an adapter harness from an old stock ecm and you won't even need to modify your harness.

You really need to drop timing back with boost. It will make all the difference.

-->Slow

Geez... I just noticed you're like an hour from me.

-->Slow

timing helps with temperature all around the motor..... retarding makes EVERYTHING run wayyyyy nicer..... and stock timing should be able to pull enough ....... computer controlled correct ???? My stock timing is good enough for 11psi...... why not 15 .........

Lee


JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...

Ronald you need to stop wasting your time and just get forged internals and a good tune.




I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.

You guys all know your stuff and definitally a program setup for boost with 3 bar map sensor, extra injector drivers added to the computer , and a wideband.are all the right ways to do it. My first motor started loosing compression then blew a chunk out of the very corner of the #4 piston, but this was my first setup which had detonation problems at low boost levels do to lean conditions and EXCESSIVE carbon buildup. My 1994 motor ran great but during one of my passes at the track my boost pressure switch did not open(keeping my extra injectors closed) and therefore severly leaned out, but i diddnt blow it till i turned the boost up a lil more. Id like to see someone reliably run 15psi on stock bottom end with a good tune to see if it can be done. Slowolej where U live at?

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stock timing should be able to pull enough ....... computer controlled correct ????

That's a gamble at best. You're much better off to dial timing to a correct # and use the ks as the safety net it's designed to be.

I don't know if you noticed it, but the fuel has been wrong around here over the last few weeks. I think the refineries have started delivering winter fuel and with the 60 deg+ days, it's just not the right blend. Most of the vehicles in our fleet are losing mileage (2-3 mpg) and we've had cases of severe knocking out of some of the harder working engines. Even my own stock and mild 93 Toyota pickup has been rattling the last few weeks. How can a stock setup do it's job of protecting the engine in this case, if it's already pulling a bunch of timing due to boost?

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My stock timing is good enough for 11psi...... why not 15 .........

More pressure = faster burn=less timing needed. Sometimes all it takes is a few psi. I bumped the boost from 14 to 17 in my Sunbird and had to rework quite a bit of the timing tables.

I'm near Concord, NH.

-->Slow

I suppose 15 psi on stock bottom end could be done. However, not with a 95-97 LN2 on an EIC and definitly not on stock ignition timing maps. No effin way man. Here is my advice. Stop wasting motors and just do something right.




I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.

Spotabee Racing wrote:I suppose 15 psi on stock bottom end could be done. However, not with a 95-97 LN2 on an EIC and definitly not on stock ignition timing maps. No effin way man. Here is my advice. Stop wasting motors and just do something right.

word....

How many times do you really need to find out how much boost a stock 2.2ov can take without correct tuning?

I'd throw some sort of stand-alone system on there and tune it perfectly on the dyno the next time around if you want to see what it can take. At least then you have grounds for a complete build when the next motor goes.



Cardomain|Myspace

M I N I O N wrote:

Spotabee Racing wrote:I suppose 15 psi on stock bottom end could be done. However, not with a 95-97 LN2 on an EIC and definitly not on stock ignition timing maps. No effin way man. Here is my advice. Stop wasting motors and just do something right.

word....

How many times do you really need to find out how much boost a stock 2.2ov can take without correct tuning?

I'd throw some sort of stand-alone system on there and tune it perfectly on the dyno the next time around if you want to see what it can take. At least then you have grounds for a complete build when the next motor goes.

Best deal on a standalone system EVER:

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasquirtii-engine-management-system-wpcb3-assembled-unit-p-65.html




I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.

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I'd throw some sort of stand-alone system on there and tune it perfectly on the dyno

Switching to the turbo Sunbird ecm pretty much makes it tunable.

-->Slow

YOU GUYS WANT DETONATION PICS ON A 2.2 OHV LOL HERE YA GO







http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2090440

^^ouch


yea 15psi man is not gonna hold with pretty much stock everything.....just curious how long did it hold up???

i also say build up the internals and with proper tuning the car would also be alot faster

It made it 250 miles haha the last one lasted much longer at lower psi