I just found out that the Pontiac G6 has a optional 6 speed transaxle that bolts to a 3.5L. Does any one know if it will bolt to a 2.2l Ecotec? I heard that they bolt to a fiero with a kit but was wondering if they bolt to a Ecotec?
nope. BUT the 3.5 should share the same bell housing as the other 60* V6 transmissions...... which means it should bolt to the 2.2/2200 OHV engines.
It will also bolt to the 3800 S/C
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WHY 6 SPEED!?!?! Cavaliers dont have a need for them.
I would like six a speed... necessary or not... Could this even be possible? Nothing ever works out this well for the lowly OHV does it?
I'm a 6ft. tall, 250+ lb., man, and I proudly drive the Sunfire. My wife drives the half-ton 4x4...
^ lol yea..........mmmmm rocking my ohv 6 speed in 6th at 80mph at 2200rpms with barely enough power to keep moving. lol yea I can see it now.
Would it work? Sure.
Is it worth the $5000 or so it'll cost you to complete the swap? Probably not.
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also compare gear ratios, dont just think omg 6 speed i want it wow. I looked at the ratios and its pretty much the same as my getrag besides 1 extra gear which would be good for fuel savings but at what costs to actually make it work.
SweetnessGT wrote:90z3400 wrote:http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/078656.html
also compare gear ratios, dont just think omg 6 speed i want it wow. I looked at the ratios and its pretty much the same as my getrag besides 1 extra gear which would be good for fuel savings but at what costs to actually make it work.
I don't know about you but that extra gear for "Fuel savings" for me is sorta huge. 94 octane being chewed up by 20-30 psi of boost isn't a pretty thing... even in 5th. (Actually especially in 5th it accelerates like 2nd gear)... the $$$ savings I would incur fuel-wise would more than offset the cost of the swap over a couple of seasons. I'm sure it doesn' t help I have an NVG with an absoloutely brutal 5th gear fuel-wise.
Too bad it's not an option for me... damnit!
-Chris-
obviosuly if you are running that much boost you really arent to concerned with fuel savings though.
I can get these transmissions brand new never used WITH brand new slave cylinder for $1000 canadian. Jobber price from GM for these trannys is $2800 canadian. We already tried and the j-body getrag master cylinder works with this slave.
You will need to get a flywheel made that can be taken care of us here at Racetech. We will be getting Bully to make a clutch for us once everything is test fitted on my car. We will keep you guys informed.
As for the axles, we will be taking a look at that closer once we get it test fitted in the car. The 6 speed shifter assembly and cables will work no problem. The last issue would be mounting it. Again, we will keep you guys informed with that.
Gm sell a adapter plate that connects the ecotec to a 4t65E transaxle which found in the 3.8. This adapter plate should turn the ecotec in to a 60* bell housing transmission Right? Which should make the 6 speed from the G6 work if you could get the clutch to engage.
Does anyone know if this setup would work?
Hmm... got a guy local to me who says he'll sell me the same G6 GTP (F40/MT2) 6 speed transmission BRAND NEW for $550 Canadian... pretty good deal. The thing is... all the OTHER stuff that's going to be needed for the swap... mounts, shifter, clutch, axles... not worth it IMO... it'll cost well over $2,000 when you're done, just for an extra gear. And let's face it... car shows don't really care about that kind of stuff.
Im not about the shows though, frankly, I couldnt care less about them. For me, its all about functionality.
southpaw wrote:WHY 6 SPEED!?!?! Cavaliers dont have a need for them.
wouldn't another gear let you run 130-140 mph? that combined with fixing the thing that we're not allowed to talk about fixing!
smokeyoa$$ wrote:southpaw wrote:WHY 6 SPEED!?!?! Cavaliers dont have a need for them.
wouldn't another gear let you run 130-140 mph? that combined with fixing the thing that we're not allowed to talk about fixing!
Yes, and probably higher, but no one here is quick enough in the 1/4 mile to need the extra speed. It's benefits would either be for fuel saving on a heavily boosted motor, or for a 16 year old to inevitably find his body wrapped around an oak tree.
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"Youth in Asia"...I don't see anything wrong with that.
Brian Whalen wrote:smokeyoa$$ wrote:southpaw wrote:WHY 6 SPEED!?!?! Cavaliers dont have a need for them.
wouldn't another gear let you run 130-140 mph? that combined with fixing the thing that we're not allowed to talk about fixing!
Yes, and probably higher, but no one here is quick enough in the 1/4 mile to need the extra speed. It's benefits would either be for fuel saving on a heavily boosted motor, or for a 16 year old to inevitably find his body wrapped around an oak tree.
good point there it would be interesting to see it done though. prolly be nice for boost.
If you can, try to get a 2007 design.
Gear ratio have changed for quicker accelearation, 3rd through 6th gears have been changed to higher-ratio gears. The ratio for 3rd gear is now 1.37:1, and the ratio for 4th gear is no longer an overdrive, with a new ratio of 1.05:1. The 5th gear ratio is 0.85:1 and the 6th gear ratio is 0.71:1.
2006 F40 6-speed manual transmission ratio
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 3.77
Second: 2.04
Third: 1.32
Fourth: 0.95
Fifth: 0.76
Sixth: 0.62
Reverse: 3.54
Final drive ratio: 3.55
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John Lenko wrote:Hmm... got a guy local to me who says he'll sell me the same G6 GTP (F40/MT2) 6 speed transmission BRAND NEW for $550 Canadian... pretty good deal. The thing is... all the OTHER stuff that's going to be needed for the swap... mounts, shifter, clutch, axles... not worth it IMO... it'll cost well over $2,000 when you're done, just for an extra gear. And let's face it... car shows don't really care about that kind of stuff.
Um... it seems to me that if someone has the time and money to put a six speed into their J, they are gonna do it regardless of what the final bill is, and weather or not it looks good at a car show. It's like putting rear disks on a j, or an independent rear suspension, if you want to, go ahead, and i will find it neat and interesting to see how it's done. If it's not for you, don't. I say go for it to anyone who feels the need. personally if i wanted rear disks, irs, and a six speed, i'd get something that came with them factory, and save the money to mod things other then that. If your car already has a six speed, that's 2k you can put into a fully built motor or something. Sometimes it's not the solution people want, it's the problem.
Hmm... good point. I guess I better go get a G6 6-speed now... heh...
Joseph Thole wrote:John Lenko wrote:Hmm... got a guy local to me who says he'll sell me the same G6 GTP (F40/MT2) 6 speed transmission BRAND NEW for $550 Canadian... pretty good deal. The thing is... all the OTHER stuff that's going to be needed for the swap... mounts, shifter, clutch, axles... not worth it IMO... it'll cost well over $2,000 when you're done, just for an extra gear. And let's face it... car shows don't really care about that kind of stuff.
Um... it seems to me that if someone has the time and money to put a six speed into their J, they are gonna do it regardless of what the final bill is, and weather or not it looks good at a car show. It's like putting rear disks on a j, or an independent rear suspension, if you want to, go ahead, and i will find it neat and interesting to see how it's done. If it's not for you, don't. I say go for it to anyone who feels the need. personally if i wanted rear disks, irs, and a six speed, i'd get something that came with them factory, and save the money to mod things other then that. If your car already has a six speed, that's 2k you can put into a fully built motor or something. Sometimes it's not the solution people want, it's the problem.
Problem is with the cars that have 6 gears, irs and rear discs in MOST cases your spending 4x the original price of most of our cars. So lets say you pay 5k for you cav or 20k for your VW (which has all the options mentioned previously). If you take the cav.... first off the monthly payment is A LOT less... giving you more money to save up to mod and do such things as irs, rear discs and 6 speed swap... hell for 15k you could even include the 3800 sc swap.
Now take the VW... 20k... so thats what about 350 -400 a month... for the avg cav owner thats a @!#$ TON of money. Now try to fit in a motor build and such and your seriously @!#$ for money.
People keep saying how its a waste to mod cavs. but if you look at $/hp its really not that bad of an investment. Sure our parts are more expensive to get compared to hondas but look at the prices of the cars to begin with... in the end it evens out.
As of late ive thought about selling the Cav. but after looking at the money ive spent and comparing it to the car i want (1997-2001 Honda Prelude) its really not worth it at this point to drop what im doing and buy another car. i would be losing huge and havent got what i want out of this car yet.
/drunken rant
John Lenko wrote:Hmm... good point. I guess I better go get a G6 6-speed now... heh...
BTW Lenko i think you should use a NVG T550 from a 2nd gen Z with the v6 for you swap
Im sure you already have plans but that would be a one of a kind setup
