I was lookin around on ebay and i found a groundin kit for a 2.2 sunfire. I was just wonderin if i were to just make one what all do i ground and what will it do? The one i saw had 10 different wires.
1998 Sunfire, 2.2L auto
Do a search for ++hypergrounding.
Dont buy the kits, make your own. Costs about $12 total.
And if your in the NY area, I will do it free, with your choice of 4 or 8 awg wires. In your choice of color, Free. The wires the terminal, and the 30 mins to 1 hour of work is all free.
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Yea i wanna do it myself but i dont know what all to ground and stuff. I live in NE PA so its not that close to NY
1998 Sunfire, 2.2L auto
Well since you have a 2.2, an earlier version of mine, its quite simple.
Get about 10 ft of 8 gauge wire and 8 gauge ring terminals, and either a ratching crimper ($25-35) or soldering iron and solder ($20).
Put a wire from the Negitive (-) side of the battery to either the tray, or the place where your oil dip stick bolts to.
Put a wire from your left Strut tower, to one of the bolts near your IM, then another from there, to another bolt about 8 inches away, on the same side, and from there to the right strut tower bolt.
Thats called daisy chaining.
Ill post pics tommorow, from a car show, if its not rained out. Ill leave a link in here to the photo media section.
Some people ground to the alternator, or alternator bracket, which is a good idea, but mine is seperately grounded, just for ease of removal.
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is that all i can ground?
1998 Sunfire, 2.2L auto
What do grounding kits accoplish? Better for your electrical system maybe....?
they basicly cut down the the curent lost and make all the lights a bit brighter
1998 Sunfire, 2.2L auto
Oh I see.... So like I said they basically just better your existing electrical system huh? Thanks for the info...
yea pretty much
1998 Sunfire, 2.2L auto
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Can you prove that doing it is a waste on $20?
I can garuntee (sp?) atleast 2 dozen folks on this site alone have seen some sort of positive effect. Including bright headlight, easier start ups, Better bass response, and some have even seen better idling and mileage.
Ive done it for a few people here, including myself, And a few skeptics, which is normal when dealing with me. And they are not skeptics anymore.
Though the results are not always the same, it has always been a positive effect. Every car is a little different, even same models and same years, its just the human factor. So the results tend to be a little different for each person.
I find that hypergrounding, an Optima battery, and Accel coils do wonders for how your car runs overall.
If your in the Long island Area, Look me up. I dont give a damn about passed issues, i have enough extra wire and terminals to do several cars for free.
Its all up to you.
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assuming your stock ground wires are in good condition, "hypergrounding" is garbage. basic Ohm's law proves it. the larger gauge wire would lower the resistance of the cars electrical system by such a small amount that the amperage increase would be barely noticable if at all. im willing to bet that anyone who noticed a gain from it, probably had corroded wires to begin with
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Yeah,
I hypergrunded my auto using parts from www.knukonceptz.com
Used thier high strand 4 gauge stuff.
Made a ground loop like directions from places that sell online for HELLA lot more.
Made a 'kit' for the HO mani upgrade (since and factory manifold set ups.
No change.
But,
I did make a 4 gauge connection for my alternator.
I have the alt/crank pulley combo, and upgrading the wire helped with that.
Lights still dim at stop lights, but get and retain normal brightenes a lot better/faster/
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some instructions for the 2.4 would be cool if they are anywhere around....
simple minds talk about other people.
average minds talk about events.
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its the exact same process for the 2.4
on an other note i have done this on both my cavfire and my dad matrix. both have seen an improve in fuel miliage.
"Negitive (-) side of the battery to either the tray, or the place where your oil dip stick bolts to. left Strut tower, to one of the bolts near your IM, then another from there, to another bolt about 8 inches away, on the same side, and from there to the right strut tower bolt."
Are those the only things i can ground? Is "Hypergrounding" the same this as this or what? Should i upgrade "the big 3" and what is involded in that? Any pics of this stuff would be great too
1998 Sunfire, 2.2L auto
YES you should upgrade the big 3, and you can ground more areas, but its just a bit cleaner looking that way, some of us goes to the shows.
Sorry for the old pic, But my home comp is being repaired, it has all my photo's on it.
Do you see the Silver wires? there are 3 in the back near the fire wall? 1 from each strut tower, and 1 in the middle right near the throttle body? Those are ground wires. 8 awg to be specific.
There is also 3 more you can see to well or not at all. The silver wire from the top post negitive terminal to the battery tray, another from the battery tray to the bolt to the bracket for the Oil dipstick tube, and another to the front passanger side radiator support bracket by my horns.
Since that pic, the silver wire on the battery is accompenied by a 4 gauge smoked black wire going directly to the dipstick tube bracket, which is also common ground for my Volt, amp, A/F gauges.
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Ryan Shissler wrote:they basicly cut down the the curent lost and make all the lights a bit brighter
you can't lose current unless there is defective circuitry in your car. the current that leaves the source will return to the source, unless there is a short somewhere. you can't just add wire and magically get a ton more current. yes using a larger gauge wire will lower the resistance, which will increase current, but not to a noticable amount, unless you replaced every wire with big wire, in which case the added weight will negate any HP gains.
will your lights get brigher, bass hit harder, ect ect.......only if your wiring is defective to begin with
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You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
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Why do you think that there aren't any cars that come from the manufacturer with hypergrounding setups? Maybe because it's bull@!#$? Before you say that they're trying to save money think about the higher end cars like Austin Martin or Porche. They're not concerned with saving a few bucks and still don't put this junk on their cars.
Maybe the people that have put this on are happy with them because they imagine an improvement. A performance placebo effect.
Labotomi wrote:Why do you think that there aren't any cars that come from the manufacturer with hypergrounding setups? Maybe because it's bull@!#$? Before you say that they're trying to save money think about the higher end cars like Austin Martin or Porche. They're not concerned with saving a few bucks and still don't put this junk on their cars.
Maybe the people that have put this on are happy with them because they imagine an improvement. A performance placebo effect.
exactly
If not to me, then to Labotomi you listen
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You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
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well if the wiring doesn't do anything for lights or performance when i put it on ill just use the wire for my mid range amps and other misc. things
1998 Sunfire, 2.2L auto
Labotomi wrote:Why do you think that there aren't any cars that come from the manufacturer with hypergrounding setups? Maybe because it's bull@!#$? Before you say that they're trying to save money think about the higher end cars like Austin Martin or Porche. They're not concerned with saving a few bucks and still don't put this junk on their cars.
Maybe the people that have put this on are happy with them because they imagine an improvement. A performance placebo effect.
Actually, If you do a bit of research, Astro martin, Rolls Royce, Bugatti, and Porsche, do use a form of Hypergrounding, just a different way. There ground point are also hooked up daisly chained through out. Why? Do you think its ease of installation and maintance? Or is there another reason all together?
Unlike J's that have the rear tail light grounds all the way up front under the drivers seat.
Why have a 6 foot long ground wire? Thats counter productive to say the least.
And only 3 ground points in the engine bay are used for all the sensors and other electronics? Hmmm...... Sounds abit overkill?
Just because you can improve something doesnt mean a car company will use it on their cars. Example: Why do some cars have a return line from the fuel rail and some dont? Why do some cars have a QUIET performance oriented Intakes, and others have QUIET performance robbing intakes? Both cost about the same. So hmmmm.
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Labotomi wrote:Why do you think that there aren't any cars that come from the manufacturer with hypergrounding setups? Maybe because it's bull@!#$? Before you say that they're trying to save money think about the higher end cars like Austin Martin or Porche. They're not concerned with saving a few bucks and still don't put this junk on their cars.
Maybe the people that have put this on are happy with them because they imagine an improvement. A performance placebo effect.
Why do no car companies come with a penny glued to the center of car batteries?
Just because something can be "MODIFIED" doesnt mean its not good.
Besides, Hypergrounding, is a copy righted term by sun automotive. AND before you think you can defy proven results, i suggest you try it. Ill even send you all the wire and terminals and directions to you for FREE! TRY IT, and see for yourself. Even on brand NEW cars from the factory it works on, So does that mean there was a detrimental wiring job done on every car from factory of the same model? i guess so.
May i pick you logic one more time?
Why do astro martin and Porsche not use cone filters in theire cars? NOT even in their race cars?
Does that mean they are bad because someone doesnt use them?
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