Hey folks.
I've done a goodly bit of homework, and I'm starting to get more than a little pissed. A bit of background: I desperately want to import a GTO (pref. 2005) into Canada, however, according to www.riv.ca , I can't bring it in because it is excluded.
I'm just wondering if the owners of GTO's could give me a few answers:
1. Are the Bumpers rated for 5 MPH? Not the covers, the actual bumpers themselves.
2. Are there child restraint bolts in the rear seat deck?
3. Has anyone got the emissions reports for these vehicles?
4. Is the seatbelt system motorised for the front passengers? And, where do the belts anchor to?
I ask because these are the primary criteria for admitting a vehicle. The 2004/05 GTO's are listed as Inadmissable however, there are no notes regarding why. I've got enough cash to buy one a Goat, however, I want to have some ammunition if I plan to challenge the board's ruling on the GTO's. It's not going to cost me any money, I just need some data to back up my challenge.
If this works out, I'll post back here, If you've been itching for a Lancer Evolution, the same appeals process will apply.
Thanks in advance everyone! I really appreciate it.
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GAM (no doot aboot it) wrote:Hey folks.
I've done a goodly bit of homework, and I'm starting to get more than a little pissed. A bit of background: I desperately want to import a GTO (pref. 2005) into Canada, however, according to www.riv.ca , I can't bring it in because it is excluded.
I'm just wondering if the owners of GTO's could give me a few answers:
1. Are the Bumpers rated for 5 MPH? Not the covers, the actual bumpers themselves.
2. Are there child restraint bolts in the rear seat deck?
3. Has anyone got the emissions reports for these vehicles?
4. Is the seatbelt system motorised for the front passengers? And, where do the belts anchor to?
I ask because these are the primary criteria for admitting a vehicle. The 2004/05 GTO's are listed as Inadmissable however, there are no notes regarding why. I've got enough cash to buy one a Goat, however, I want to have some ammunition if I plan to challenge the board's ruling on the GTO's. It's not going to cost me any money, I just need some data to back up my challenge.
If this works out, I'll post back here, If you've been itching for a Lancer Evolution, the same appeals process will apply.
Thanks in advance everyone! I really appreciate it.
Pretty sure that you are not allowed to import them into Canada due to the Competition Act. You are not allowed to import any vehicle into Canada that is not currently for sale in out market unless the car is older than 15 years. Since GM has not done the crash/emissions test on the GTO and applied to sell the car in the Canadian market it's not allowed. I have no doubt it would pass all tests but intill GM does the tests and paperwork we're S.O.L
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i know your pain. I was looking into a FTO from Japan, ran into the same trouble.
From what i gathered canada needs to run their own crash tests with them, so if you want to buy 7 of them for them to wreck...
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MikeGT: Umm... GrandPrix = FWD. GTO = RWD. I'm looking to import, not re-engineer the whole bloody thing.
Luc: I'm pretty certain the Crash tests aren't that big of a problem. The only thing I've seen that would exclude the GTO is the 5mph bumpers. Those, however can be modified to Canadian standards, Ironically with Grand prix shock pads and minor metal re-inforcement from what I've been reading. Either way, the crash test Data from the US TSB has been good enough for certifying every other GM, Mopar and Ford... I don't see how one model should be excluded.
Raven: I'm not entirely certain of the competition bit. If so, Ford couldn't import the Mustang because it doesn't already have another vehicle in that market segment that is competing.
I'm pretty certain about the 5 mph bumpers, just the seat belt positions/whether or not they're motorised and active/passive is the issue for me at least. I'm going to try to get the data from the TSB and see what can be done there.
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try www.pontiac.com see what they say
call the Canadian government, preferably Canada Customs , they will tell you everything.
^^^^^^^^^ you expect someone from the canadina gov't a straight answer on htis???????? your out of your mind
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sorry, no matter what you do you will never get the car in until it is 15 years old.
period.
no more questions.
unless you apply to transport canada and then pay to have the car subjected to all tests that they require...
that would include crash testing, unless gm will provide you with their crash test data.
then you would have to re-engineer the bumper to withstand an 8mph bump. that doesnt mean the cover, but the bumper itself.
now after you have spent enough money to buy a mercedes slr you "might" be able to get your precious gto.
instead why not import an r32 skyline gtr for about 18k cdn.
blah blah blah
skyline skyline skyline
ive had enought of the skyline talk
they arent the end all car
the man wants a gto so leave him alone
sappyL61 wrote:blah blah blah
skyline skyline skyline
ive had enought of the skyline talk
they arent the end all car
the man wants a gto so leave him alone
well lets see.... he cant have a gto.... so time to start looking for something else.
and you really think a skyline would be easyer to import here? You are out of your mind. Btw, skyline is becoming like cow s**t. More and more and even more everywhere. What's the big deal with that damn car? You may like it but alot of people don't.
GAM - I've seen a supossely JDM civic here in quebec but I can't say for sure if the guy bought all the parts of a JDM and swap them into his car. TherE's a way to bring the car in. You're on the right way. find all the info you can. What's the CA emission resdult and all those things. I know the reason why the Gto is not here is because of the bumper. I would have to ask the SAAQ to know what you need. Can be the same thing as an inspection after 1 year without plates. They will check the car and everything.
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Mfk-223 wrote:and you really think a skyline would be easyer to import here? You are out of your mind. Btw, skyline is becoming like cow s**t. More and more and even more everywhere. What's the big deal with that damn car? You may like it but alot of people don't.
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an r32 gtr is as easy to import to canada as buying one.. shipping it over, and putting plates and insurance on it.
done.
i was merely using it as an example of an imported car.. that also happens to be cheap.
thats a really stupid response though... that because you see more of them, they are sh**?
i cant get past how stupid a response that is....
the big deal with the car is that until recently they have been unavailable... and if you were a car enthusiast you wouldnt have to ask the question about what the big deal is... other than the fact that it has a great racing history, stock it handles better than most cars, has tons of technological advances (for its time), is very powerful, can be made more powerful, and has alot of aftermarket support.
any car that is 15 years old (build date) can be imported into canada . no modifications neccessary. you simply get it safetied, and in some cases re-vinned.
but then again i guess someone that thinks that a 2 door corsica is "the ultimate z" isnt really a car enthusiast....
What if it was in just enough pieces to qualify as a kit car? Scrub the VIN and choose a new one. It'd be the best kit car on the road.. Oh wait, no it wouldn't, there are some cool kit cars.
Use the money for an Ariel Atom and a winter beater
blurred wrote:
an r32 gtr is as easy to import to canada as buying one.. shipping it over, and putting plates and insurance on it.
done.
i was merely using it as an example of an imported car.. that also happens to be cheap.
thats a really stupid response though... that because you see more of them, they are sh**?
i cant get past how stupid a response that is....
the big deal with the car is that until recently they have been unavailable... and if you were a car enthusiast you wouldnt have to ask the question about what the big deal is... other than the fact that it has a great racing history, stock it handles better than most cars, has tons of technological advances (for its time), is very powerful, can be made more powerful, and has alot of aftermarket support.
any car that is 15 years old (build date) can be imported into canada . no modifications neccessary. you simply get it safetied, and in some cases re-vinned.
but then again i guess someone that thinks that a 2 door corsica is "the ultimate z" isnt really a car enthusiast....
Okay.. Where to start..
#1 Skyline anything will not be saftiable in Canada. Er go, in Ontario, where I Happen to live, the car will not be able to be plated.
#2 The Skyline I would want will be RHD. For someone that needs to go through a security gate DAILY, and who uses Drive-up ATM machines, this is entirely impractical.
#3 I don't want to wait for the car to get here. If I can drive into Watertown NY, and buy the damned thing and plate it so it'll come over here, I'm all for it.
#4 I do not want a 15 year old car with no aftermarket support in North america save for 4 manufacturers that want to charge exorbitant amounts for said parts
#5 I ask politely, Are you incapable of reading? I ask about a GTO, and you offer a Japanese Taxi. Nice. Go elsewhere and watch F&F.
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I've been reading a lot lately of the negative effects of smoking, drinking,
overeating, and casual sex... I have decided to give up reading.
OKay.. now that that's done:
Hahahaha:
- Can't do the parts or kit car thing... the body bears the VIN#, and it can't be put together with the other parts.. which really sucks.
- If I had the Cash I'd go with a 1G Noble M12 GTO.
I just don't happen to have $90,000 laying around doing nothing.
GIlles: I think the one you're talking about I think is a North American one with all JDM parts... IIRC it's still LHD. If we're thinking about the same one it's white, but has some JDM bits.
Either way, the SAAQ doesn't have the ability to override Customs and RIV. I'm going to join with a few Classic GTO owners to appeal the import Ban, because there is no information as to why it isn't able to be imported.
Blurred:
Nothing is impossible... it merely takes a little longer.
Second: I don't happen to have $45,000 US laying around spare. I can buy a GTO, If I can import it, I can also go through a FREE appeals process if it takes some time.
Finally: The Skyline is a fine car, no question. But I don't want that. How do you think the Skyline was able to be imported at first in the USA? The STI (As well as in Canada)? The EVO 8? I'll tell ya, a fairly long and somewhat involved process that takes a bit of time, but it's free.
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I've been reading a lot lately of the negative effects of smoking, drinking,
overeating, and casual sex... I have decided to give up reading.
So are GTOs not allowed in Canada, or can residents just not own them? Say I took a trip to Canada, would I be able to drive my GTO across the border into Canada or no?
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
GAM - again i was not telling you that you should buy one... merely stating that there are other options for "different" cars that CAN be imported.
unfortunately you dont seem to understand that there is NO way to legally import a GTO... EVER! you will have to wait 15 years.
any car that is on the "inadmissable" list cannot be modified in any way to make it admissible. there are no loopholes, no ways around this.
back to the skyline issue.. yes you can get it plated, yes you can get it safetied... it is 100% legal for use on our roads and can be legally imported as long as its build date is 15years+. you could even buy one that is already in the country at one of the many dealers that are starting to pop up... in fact 2 of my friends impot them for a small brokerage fee and one has a gtr here currently for sale.
and what is the f&f reference? i am simply a car enthusiast that has been aware of this car for over 15 years and i respect its capabilities... and now i can actually get one (if i wanted to)
now the process to import the skyline and such was longer because each car must be federalized individually and major changes made to make them legal.. we have no such needs up here which is why we can buy them for under 20k cdn, while our friends to the south will have to pay 30kUS for the same 89 gtr.
the reason you wont be able to (successfully) appeal the gto's inadmissible status is because transport canada has never tested the car, and if you are allowed to import one, then everyone would be able to (which is good for us) but with the car never tested for emmissions, collisions etc..
had it simply been in the a child tether or such a trivial issue you could make the necessary changes.
sorry, but dont waste your time.
unless you wait until the next model year arrives in dealerships south of the border. immediately check the RIV and if the new model year is not listed then grab one and get it plated before it changes (but this may backfire if the list is updated after you shelled out... but havent finished the importation/legalization process)
Blurred,
Sorry to get uptight, however, I have to correct you on a few things:
1. Transport Canada hasn't tested a LOT of vehicles being sold in Canada. Why you ask? Simple. The NHTSA in the US does the testing. Transport Canada accepts that data, the data from the Insurance Safety Council, and several other Agencies (such as the TUV) given that they're using proper protocol.
The problem with appealing that you don't get, is that it is not specified for what reason why the car is not applicable for immediate import.
I'd be wasting my time if it was fruitless.. as there is no data as to why the GTO is not possible to be imported, there's no reason why it isn't available... if nothing else, I can get the reason for what is stopping the importation. At that point I can consider either pushing the Gov't to examine the reason (if any), or push GM to homologate the 8km/h bumper into the GTO design.
Don't say I'm wasting my time. You're wasting your own trying to drag me down. And I really, really do NOT want a Skyline. If I really wanted one, I'd go to Motorex.
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I've been reading a lot lately of the negative effects of smoking, drinking,
overeating, and casual sex... I have decided to give up reading.
Matt i got an idea.
-There are new cars being sold (by dealers) in canada that aren't sold in canada.
Take the Scion's for example. These are because US residents owned them , and then immigrated to Canada, then sold them.
- If you know someone that is immigrating to Canada (someone you trust ) they could buy the car and bring it over with them, then sell the car to you.
Or you could marry a US citizen, that owns one and get her to move here with it. Your Girlfriend may not like that idea though.
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GM doesnt use motorized seat belts
the belts are attached to the B pillar for the front passengers
Luc Sipkema wrote:There are new cars being sold (by dealers) in canada that aren't sold in canada. These are because US residents owned them , and then immigrated to Canada, then sold them.
So the cars are
allowed in Canada, they just can't be owned by a Canadian resident. What is to stop a Canadian from going into the US to buy a GTO, and then drive it back across the border? Or won't the US dealer sell it to a Canadian?
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
^^^ that's exactly what he tryign to do
unless he picks up a green card to becoem a us citizen he can't plate the car
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Ok this might be a dumb comment but is there anyway you could get the plates and the registration for NY and just drive it in Canada or if you try to cross the border will they turn you away and tell you to leave because you have a GTO????
I have never really been to Canada so I am not sure how things work.
17.8 when your important people will wait
