this is a post for people in the business or were in the business to contribute. My little brother is taking the GM class at trade school, he needs a respirator, and has decided he knows everything. (again) a friend offered to get him a good one.(he works selling painting supplies to shops and gets a discount) the mask has two filter pods, 12 regular filters, 2 charcoal filters. for about $50. the one he can get through the school is $30 but comes with one set of regular filters.
1. are the charcoal filters a good idea?
2.is the price ok? this is with the guys discount at work.
3. about how long should the filters last? (# of spray jobs?)
4.what suggestions would you have in selecting a mask? things that I didn't ask that would be of use to the uninformed, I know its not something to cheap out on when your health is at stake.
on the average of use is 40 hours which is one week, yes that sounds like a good deal to me that`s what about i get them at
i only use those for spraying, and the other ones i use are just a regualr dust mask made by 3m, and for welding i use a different mask has a rubber seal in it
at a couple of shops we used air assisited hood, made by sata
but it sounds like just because your brother is in a trade he does not know everything i have been doin it for now 15 yrs and i still don`t know everything
hope that helps
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Charcoal is good for fumes regular paper filters are good for dust. I don't paint so I don't really use the charcoal ones that much. Keep it in a bag so it does not filter the air and wear out the filter.
They go by hours of use. So they are good for about one month wich is about 12 to 13 hours of use unless you paint more than that of course. Put a date on the bag to know when you started using it.
Keep the replacement filters sealed in a zip lock bag as well. So that when you need to change filters the filters are still new.
Keep the mask on tight around your face especially if you have a beard. No reason in wearing one if it is gonna be loose. Clean out the inside of the mask once in a while LOL. You will get hot in it.
40 hours holly @!#$. LOL I only use mine for 12 hours and I junk it. I use the 3m ones. Is that the same ones you use big daddy?
Look at that I just learned something new. I checked you do use the 3m ones for up to 40 hours or 30 days. Wichever comes first.
big daddy wrote:on the average of use is 40 hours which is one week, yes that sounds like a good deal to me that`s what about i get them at
i only use those for spraying, and the other ones i use are just a regualr dust mask made by 3m, and for welding i use a different mask has a rubber seal in it
at a couple of shops we used air assisited hood, made by sata
but it sounds like just because your brother is in a trade he does not know everything i have been doin it for now 15 yrs and i still don`t know everything
hope that helps
Good advice once again... wow... keep up the good helpful advice and I might actually start to like you (just pickin man)
well i can be helpful ,but if some one will listen then that`s another story
can i haz bondo
There is really no way of telling when the charcoal is no longer good, so regular replacement is required. Just because you can't smell the paint doesn't mean they are still affective. The charcoal cannisters should also be stored in a sealed bag or container to last longer. Also remember when dealing with isocyanates, that they also enter the body through skin and eyes so you should have protection there also. Isocyanates are not something you really want to mess around with, and replacing the cartridges is cheaper then ruining your health. They recommend an air supplied respirator for spraying paint materials with isocyanates, but should be okay with a charcoal respirator as long is the ventilation is good, you have a tight fit, and the cartridges are replaced regulary.
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Also remember when dealing with isocyanates, that they also enter the body through skin and eyes so you should have protection there also. Isocyanates are not something you really want to mess around with, and replacing the cartridges is cheaper then ruining your health. They recommend an air supplied respirator for spraying paint materials with isocyanates, but should be okay with a charcoal respirator as long is the ventilation is good, you have a tight fit, and the cartridges are replaced regulary.
i have to agree and then i dont agree. charcoal filters dont protect against isocynates.
i dont care who you are. if you dig deep enough on iso's the only true way of protecting is full face air regulated mask. then you have to be covered totally from head to toe with covering.
I have a cousin that used nothing but charcoal respirators, he sprayed iso's and later on regretted using them cause they filter out other stuff BUT iso's. alot dont know this but it helps to dig around and find out... thats why the maker of House of Kolor recommends full face respirators with air regulating for fresh breathing, plus head to toe coverage.
any other paints, you can get by with charcoal filters n what have you.
but yeh dont mess with iso's, i find alot of painters haven't even heard of it.. strange world, out there.
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Those masks have a lifetime in hours?? ha ha if your not anal about things you'll just do what i do and replace the filters when they arent white anymore..
But then again, who really needs a mask. Just the clear and everything drying inside your lungs.. (i honestly only use one if im made to.. or shooting clear.. clear is bad.. VERY BAD.. you will get high very quick without a mask shooting clear)
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its2nv4 wrote:Also remember when dealing with isocyanates, that they also enter the body through skin and eyes so you should have protection there also. Isocyanates are not something you really want to mess around with, and replacing the cartridges is cheaper then ruining your health. They recommend an air supplied respirator for spraying paint materials with isocyanates, but should be okay with a charcoal respirator as long is the ventilation is good, you have a tight fit, and the cartridges are replaced regulary.
i have to agree and then i dont agree. charcoal filters dont protect against isocynates.
i dont care who you are. if you dig deep enough on iso's the only true way of protecting is full face air regulated mask. then you have to be covered totally from head to toe with covering.
I have a cousin that used nothing but charcoal respirators, he sprayed iso's and later on regretted using them cause they filter out other stuff BUT iso's. alot dont know this but it helps to dig around and find out... thats why the maker of House of Kolor recommends full face respirators with air regulating for fresh breathing, plus head to toe coverage.
any other paints, you can get by with charcoal filters n what have you.
but yeh dont mess with iso's, i find alot of painters haven't even heard of it.. strange world, out there.
That is exactly correct. In the state of NJ the VOC laws state that any sprayed material has to be done with supplied air masks. They come in to check every so often as well. But I know that our painter haits the mask cause it fogs up and it is hard to see through. You can't get a good paint job if you can't see what your doing. LOL
Do they have a mask that just covers your nose and mouth that is supplied air that you can use in painting? I am thinking that the state is more concerned about you personaly breathing it in than taking it in through your skin.
thanks for all the input guys,
hey ZspeedCav have you guys thought about using the anti-fog stuff from Rain-Ex ? not sure if you have plastic lenses, or if it safe to use on plastic. theres also porthole wax, they use it to keep the windows clear on boats down here.
chris your officialy an idiot. everyone else that gave REAL advice and not retard babble, (zspeed, big daddy, nikki, its2nv4), glad to see the org helps people once in a while instead of just telling the opposite of good advice ::cough winks cough::::
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
i had lots of toys when i was young.slinky,etc.but once i found my penis,that was all she wrote
I've only sprayed paint once.. i just used the standard 30 dollar craftsman one
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I've heard different views on how affective the charcoal masks are. Use an air supplied respirator to remove all doubt that you are getting fresh clean air. I've personally met painters that said they were sensitized to isocyanates and can no longer go near them. Also the father of one of my old bosses was in really rough shape in the hospital with a messed up nervous system. He sprayed a lot over the years without a respirator. Never heard what happened to the guy. As soon as I can afford it I will be buying an airsupplied respirator. They are becoming more affordable. We only had charcoal respirators in tech school, but the booth was pretty good at removing overspray. Other shops I worked in only supplied a charcoal respirator also. I don't notice any affects yet, but I would have used an air supplied if they were available. Isocyanates affect everyone differently also. I don't work in bodyshops any more. The pay is too low for the hard work you do, and all the hardous chemicals you are dealing with. Most rinky dink shops don't give a crap about their employees. I haven't worked in a shop since 1995, found out bigger employers pay better then the shops, and your not spending your paycheck on tools to make them money. Your tools stay at home instead.
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