I was thinking that it would be cool to put the engine in the trunk
so the Cavalier could spin the rear wheels. Then we could enter those crazy races where they spin the wheels all the way around the race track.
I know it could be done. Is there anyone else that thinks that would be a good thing to do?
It might mean that it would be the wildest side ways driving ride out there because of where the engine is located and all the extra weight over the rear wheels.
I am sure there would be a way to fit another steering system in the front of the Cavalier and lock the wheels in the back to straight ahead.
Your air conditioning may become non operational but you don't use that any way at the races....
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I'm honestly dumber having read this post.......
this could be possible but the work involved would be massive. not to mention 3rd gen J's if not all (correct me if i'm wrong, just a guess) are unibodies. the trunk area was not designed to handle the weight and stress of an engine and trans back there. you could rig it up but it would most likely fall apart or tear the car apart before you went 10 miles
That would be awesome, a friend of mine was saying how cool it would be to stick a bigger engine in the cav and make it FR. It has been done, dunno about MR though, good luck. If you do it, take pictures and make a freakin' documentary out of it.
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I don't know how strong the back of the car is either. Good point!
You know something? I think this is a strange idea also! You have to read the rest of this to read something stranger than what I have said to see that I am not totally crazy.
There is this guy where I live that went over the deep end with this concept. It looked scary seeing him driving it because the guy looked to serious trying to get it down the road in one piece.
My excuse for thinking up my idea is all the things I have done getting my car ready for paint. I have spent too much time alone in the shop with my car and Mcloving it. Look what it does to your mind, working with all those chemicals and dust on a 90 degree with 87 persent humidity.
I am sure the summer time weather had something to do with what this young man did.
There is a VW bug in Dover De that has a V-8 sitting right where the back seat used to be. I really don't know how he did it without a frame but I did see a roll bar in back of him. This brave soul was driving really slowly indicating he wasn't all that confident about revving it up past an idle to light up the huge slicks on the back for the visual effect that he could actually spin the tires without destroying the car.
Whew, was all I could think as I went by him like he was standing still and I was on going 35.
After remembering what that guy did to that poor VW all I can say is that it can be done but his car looked pretty strange and driving must have been even stranger.
He didn't look all that happy with all that noise from the headers right in back of him either. It would kill your speakers, so no sound system is ever needed. He probably wished he had ear plugs on the night I saw him on a back streets in town. He was shifting a 4 speed really slowly. Maybe he was afraid the engine would flip over inside the car the way he was driving it.
Seriously, I didn't get the idea from him about the engine transfer because I saw that VW a year ago and had forgotten about it until I was just now writing about switching some things around in our cars.
Yes it could be done but who would want to drive it after it was done? Don't think about any part of this project too much because you will drown in the details of how to hook up something simple like your power steering or where to put the gas tank?
Thanks for being good sports!
You do realize ALL VW Bugs had the motor in the "trunk."
Yes, I realize that and a good point you have there! The problem is it wasn't designed to be an engine 5 time heavier and 5 times bigger. I swear it looked like a big block but what ever it was the builder wasn't too sure about driving it.
So we may have a better chance of this conversion with a way smaller package and weight to work with.
I can almost see the spinning rear tires now! I will try to visualize not inhaling any smoke from the slicks.
I got it! Put the engine on top of the trunk lid. That way it will be quieter and more fun to drive in a straight line.
The only problem with this design is going around a corner too fast the engine could cause you to flip...
The weather has turned nice so I better go sand some more on the car to take my mind off of the engine and tranny.
Ahhh, I see now....you're what is known as a "Troll"
check out the tiburon with twin turbocharged engines on youtube. I think its the same design your trying to do.
Jim wrote:Then we could enter those crazy races where they spin the wheels all the way around the race track.
You mean drifting?
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YES I had brain fade but drifing is what I was thinking of.
I got it now! If we can get the tranny to go in the opposite direction which it turns now which isn't a big deal. Any transmission rebuilder would be able to figure out how to do that.
A person could then lock the front wheels in the straight ahead position. A few stabilzer bars for that would do. Then put a front end off of a Corvair on the rear of the Cavalier and put the seat looking out through the back window. Now we have the right design to spin the rear wheels!
I think that this is the only way to set up the car for drifing. I bet with a super charger and some good engine mods the little Cavalier would be a wildly drifting car.
I would like to build this and I am not kidding now but early I was about putting the engine in the trunk. Keep the engine where it is!
engine facing backwards + V-drive is what you want.....good luck, hope your pockets are deep
My car may run 18s, but I can do your taxes in 10 seconds flat.
JBO lube - they would never have enough in stock and we'd never see RodimusPrime again
I don't think I need a V belt because they can slip. Honestly the tranny manual or auto will work if you talk with a transmission person.
I know I would have to put a sloping trunk on it and a roll cage. A big plus is to use a 4 door. You already have the rear doors for the convinience to get into the front seat. In fact you could position the seat in the middle of the car for a more balanced approach.
Personally I think if I find a beat up 4 door with a 2.4 and then hit the junk yards it would go together easily.
The big money comes for the engine mods, tires and odds and ends.
I was thinking it would be legal for street use too with headlights mounted in the rear fenders.
If you thought you got a lot of attention in a clean modified Cavalier now wait til they see what looks like a car going down the road in reverse at 65 mph!
this is one of the stupidest post i have ever seen on here. why would you ever think this let alone want to try it. some people are just stupid
Well to be perfectly honest I am giddy from all the things I am doing to my 4 door and it is finally getting to where I can paint it in a week or 2.
Yes it is stupid but to me it is fun to think of crazy things some times.
So I better quit for now and you may not hear from me again until I can post a pic of my Cavalier.
It sounded like I was drunk at times in my writings but to me it was the high I feel at times when I see my project going along better than planned.
I hope you can see the humor in some of this & if you see a 4 door flying down the road like it is in reverse it will be me wondering why so many other cars are pulling off the side of the road wondering if they were seeing correctly.
I was actually hoping someone could kid around about how to do some of the things I talked about and have some fun too.
I liked the Troll remark and anything you said.
I have to go do some more work to bring me closer to my goal of seeing my car back on the road again.
I also want to thank the people who helped me with a few things to get my car going. That is what is so great about every person on J has a voice and mine was a little different and you were too cool trying to be serious about the silly things I said.
Until we meet again in the photo forum and you can see why I ended up feeling so good after a long battle with so many issues.
Later
Jim wrote:I don't think I need a V belt because they can slip. Honestly the tranny manual or auto will work if you talk with a transmission person.
I know I would have to put a sloping trunk on it and a roll cage. A big plus is to use a 4 door. You already have the rear doors for the convinience to get into the front seat. In fact you could position the seat in the middle of the car for a more balanced approach.
Personally I think if I find a beat up 4 door with a 2.4 and then hit the junk yards it would go together easily.
The big money comes for the engine mods, tires and odds and ends.
I was thinking it would be legal for street use too with headlights mounted in the rear fenders.
If you thought you got a lot of attention in a clean modified Cavalier now wait til they see what looks like a car going down the road in reverse at 65 mph!
vdrive not vbelt....duge difference. and the fact you dont know it shows how much this wont happen
My car may run 18s, but I can do your taxes in 10 seconds flat.
JBO lube - they would never have enough in stock and we'd never see RodimusPrime again
yeah im going to have to agree with machzel on this one. i dont think this is going to happen. its a good idea and has been done before. i front wheel drive transverse design in the rear to drive the rear wheels is the principle the fiero is built on.
also, speaking of VW and crazy things that happen to them...
we all know of the VR6 motor, correct? fairly big motor for the golfs and jettas, and a good deal of power. well no imagine 2 of these motors powering a VW jetta. now, 2 Vr6 motors is basically what the VW W12 motor is (2 VR6 motors sharing a crank from what i understand), but this was a Vr6 in the front to power the front wheels and a VR6 in the trunk to power the rear wheels. to accomplish this you have to synchronize the motors t work together and at the same time.
pain in the ass to do, lots of money thrown into it, but i hear he isnt the complaining when it comes to the track.
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No it really won't happen because it has been done before but not with a Cavalier that I know of.
I am not qualified to know all about it but if anyone does take on something like that they will become the expert if it works well.
Have a good day no matter what you guys are doing today!
Below 70 here today. Time to work and then more work.
whitegoose( RedR-ZedR) wrote:yeah im going to have to agree with machzel on this one. i dont think this is going to happen. its a good idea and has been done before. i front wheel drive transverse design in the rear to drive the rear wheels is the principle the fiero is built on.
also, speaking of VW and crazy things that happen to them...
we all know of the VR6 motor, correct? fairly big motor for the golfs and jettas, and a good deal of power. well no imagine 2 of these motors powering a VW jetta. now, 2 Vr6 motors is basically what the VW W12 motor is (2 VR6 motors sharing a crank from what i understand), but this was a Vr6 in the front to power the front wheels and a VR6 in the trunk to power the rear wheels. to accomplish this you have to synchronize the motors t work together and at the same time.
pain in the ass to do, lots of money thrown into it, but i hear he isnt the complaining when it comes to the track.
actually the W12 is a technically 3 "VR4" engines...there is no vr4 but its 3 sets of 4 cylinder offest engines. syncing two motors isnt hard at all, have linking chains for harmonic balancer..thats how they do it at the tractor pulls and stuff. would be heavy as @!#$ though
My car may run 18s, but I can do your taxes in 10 seconds flat.
JBO lube - they would never have enough in stock and we'd never see RodimusPrime again
yellow22 wrote:this is one of the stupidest post i have ever seen on here. why would you ever think this let alone want to try it. some people are just stupid
how is this one of the stupidest posts on this entire forum, you must not come here much.
i myself also love the old VWs with SBC or BBC swaps, completely insane and different.
bashing those that think a little or a lot outside the box is what a stupid post is made off, who knows this guy probably will not do it but maybe the next Art, PJ, Karo, Bob or Vince might end up doing it.
I think it would be easier to put the j-skin onto a different rwd chassie, like a modified s-10. Front engine would be better then rear engine for drifting.
Dayme, must be some good fumes you were breathing, close to hallucinating.
I'm going to email Dave and ask him when he switched the Org from English to Gibberish.
Just buy a Fiero. Or an MR2. Or a Corvair. Or a Ferarri. Or any other vehicle that was designed to be mid-engined.
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