Could I take and make a second route for my mass air flow sensor that would shut off the stock route and act as a Venom 400 using a toggle switch. I figure the minuscule low end effects of a Venom 400 aren't worth $300, but are worth $15. Any help and pictures would be appreciated.
You cavalier does not have a Mass Air Flow sensor. So no.
FU Tuning
Well, then I haven't fully grasped the design of the 2.2L. I'm a V-TEC guy. So, what do the Venom 400s for my model year resist?
Build it, put it in a cool box, and sell thousands of them on ebay.
A venom 400 does entially nothing at all.
It makes the Car run slightly richer, and makes your car think your hitting the gas faster than you are...
PRND321 Till I DIE
Old Motor: 160whp & 152ft/lbs, 1/4 Mile 15.4 @88.2
M45 + LD9 + 4T40-E, GO GO GO
it's junk get a real tune, or buy Hptuners or efi live and tune it yourself as much as you want.
I understand its cheap crap, but so is a 1996 Chevy Cavalier 4 door with a 2.2L non-ECOTEC. How much does HpTuners or EFI Live cost? If its more than just making a "ghetto" Venom 400, than screw it. I plan on getting a nicer, and better car in a year or two anyway, so sinking unnecessary cash into The Congo Cruizer is a low priority.
then save the $15, because it will not do anything.
FU Tuning
No offense "No Longer Screaming", but all of your posts seem to be telling me wrong, I'm seeking guidance not just some dude to say, its a waste, if you had something to contribute like saying get a *insert part name here* from *insert website/store here* I appreciate it, but all you're doing is saying, "No, you're wrong." At least JUCNBST has some suggestions.
He's saying there's no cheap route around a proper tune. A venom 400 is a cheap, non-effective add-on that does nothing but try to trick your computer. In the end, adds unusable amounts of fuel that your engine won't be able to burn. HP Tuners is the correct tool in optimizing your engine's computer.
HP Tuners Link. Runs anywhere from 400 to 700 bucks. Depending on how in depth and serious you wanna go. Hes just trying to steer you in the right direction. Welcome to the forums!
If your absolutely set on doing things as cheap as possible for as small a gain as possible, just go and buy a 9700 ohm resistor. Same basic idea as the rest of the cheap iat tricks, but it only cost .10 and I've seen dyno proof for that working. You gain about 3whp......on an LS1 Z28.
USMCZ24 wrote:He's saying there's no cheap route around a proper tune. A venom 400 is a cheap, non-effective add-on that does nothing but try to trick your computer. In the end, adds unusable amounts of fuel that your engine won't be able to burn. HP Tuners is the correct tool in optimizing your engine's computer. HP Tuners Link. Runs anywhere from 400 to 700 bucks. Depending on how in depth and serious you wanna go. Hes just trying to steer you in the right direction. Welcome to the forums!
He didn't steer into a direction, just away from one.
colt45 wrote:If your absolutely set on doing things as cheap as possible for as small a gain as possible, just go and buy a 9700 ohm resistor. Same basic idea as the rest of the cheap iat tricks, but it only cost .10 and I've seen dyno proof for that working. You gain about 3whp......on an LS1 Z28.
Where would I wire this in? 3 WHP is worth $.10 and some effort to me. Maxing a nearly stock beater is not worth $400.
The connector for the IAT sensor in the intake. Make sure it is the exact ohm rating, or it does nothing at all. Even the right one does very little, but it does more than most people on here expect. Be prepared for crap mileage and flaming though.
I plan on making a toggle switch and a second route, basically a on/off. And flaming isn't a problem, "You did a IAT mod? LAME" "Your dissing a 16 year old driving a @!#$ty car? LAME!"
I tried to steer you. After you said you were not going to put a bunch on money into a crappy car, I said save your $15. You are not going to gain 3hp off this mod. This is not me just saying stuff, but telling the truth.
If you understood how our ECU's worked you would understand. Even if it did work like ti can on other cars, just adding fuel to a motor does not make more power. GM runs our cars rich from the factory, so why add more fuel?
FU Tuning
To each his own. You obviously have the cash to do
"GM M45 Supercharger
2.5 charger pulley
AEM short Ram intake
RSM 57mm Throttle body
Cooling mist Alcohol injection kit
MD Pulleys Oversized Crank pulley
Turbo Tech Racing upper mount
Low resistance spark plug and coil springs
RKSport lower motor mount
Pacesetter Header w/2.50" exhaust w/Forza Tuning muffler
2.3 cam swap
Spec stage 2 clutch
Spec flywheel
Team Green LSD
42lb injectors
Custom tuning by me"
I do not. So a ten cent upgrade may be of no use to you, but to a kid who has little cash, its a big deal.
He is giving you the best advice on the subject. You are just too thick headed and young to just like the rest of your generation to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about.
When you put the venom 400 it... you are essentially not adding power. Like they all said, you are adding fuel but not controlling it so you are taking the risk of doing damage. The venom 400 was something that you would look at, read, and think, man this thing looks cool and I bet it works... when it really doesnt work. Listen to the people telling you not to mess with that piece of crap and spend money on real parts. You will notice more of a gain from intake or exhaust instead of a small electric chip.
In case anyone was wondering, 3 horsepower is not even within the range of accuracy of a engine dyno - for the most part. Let alone a chassis dyno, which are typically never calibrated after they leave the factory. Also, 3 horsepower on an engine that is almost 3 times larger in displacement will only mean a third of that (1 horsepower) on an engine with 3 times less displacement.
In short, 1 horsepower would not be noticeable to ANYONE. Most people couldn't tell what 10 more feels like.
BuiltNBoosted wrote:He is giving you the best advice on the subject. You are just too thick headed and young to just like the rest of your generation to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about.
When you put the venom 400 it... you are essentially not adding power. Like they all said, you are adding fuel but not controlling it so you are taking the risk of doing damage. The venom 400 was something that you would look at, read, and think, man this thing looks cool and I bet it works... when it really doesnt work. Listen to the people telling you not to mess with that piece of crap and spend money on real parts. You will notice more of a gain from intake or exhaust instead of a small electric chip.
Plus you dont plan on keeping the car so why mod it? It is just a waste of money, put that in savings for whatever you want to buy after your done rockin your ln2 turd.
Damian Corbeil wrote:To each his own. You obviously have the cash to do
"GM M45 Supercharger
2.5 charger pulley
AEM short Ram intake
RSM 57mm Throttle body
Cooling mist Alcohol injection kit
MD Pulleys Oversized Crank pulley
Turbo Tech Racing upper mount
Low resistance spark plug and coil springs
RKSport lower motor mount
Pacesetter Header w/2.50" exhaust w/Forza Tuning muffler
2.3 cam swap
Spec stage 2 clutch
Spec flywheel
Team Green LSD
42lb injectors
Custom tuning by me"
I do not. So a ten cent upgrade may be of no use to you, but to a kid who has little cash, its a big deal.
.10 cent upgrade will cost you more at 3 something a gallon and will give you well less than 1whp gain. Preventing you from having upgrades like those listed above. Save your cash and save up a bit for some basic upgrades, like Intake, Header and Exhaust.
i find it amusing that SHOoff has nothing better to do but follow me around & be an unhelpful dick in even cross-forum. - Jon Mick
he has a 96... he cant tune it anyway.
I have a intake and exhaust.
BuiltNBoosted wrote:He is giving you the best advice on the subject. You are just too thick headed and young to just like the rest of your generation to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about.
When you put the venom 400 it... you are essentially not adding power. Like they all said, you are adding fuel but not controlling it so you are taking the risk of doing damage. The venom 400 was something that you would look at, read, and think, man this thing looks cool and I bet it works... when it really doesnt work. Listen to the people telling you not to mess with that piece of crap and spend money on real parts. You will notice more of a gain from intake or exhaust instead of a small electric chip.
Don't lessen them by using me as an example, I'm the worst of them.
Wagonwes wrote:In case anyone was wondering, 3 horsepower is not even within the range of accuracy of a engine dyno - for the most part. Let alone a chassis dyno, which are typically never calibrated after they leave the factory. Also, 3 horsepower on an engine that is almost 3 times larger in displacement will only mean a third of that (1 horsepower) on an engine with 3 times less displacement.
In short, 1 horsepower would not be noticeable to ANYONE. Most people couldn't tell what 10 more feels like.
But if when my coil packs go I use MSD packs and wires and upgrade plugs that can burn all the fuel, isn't that a power increase?
