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Hey im on the fence on either turboing the LD9 im building or running it N/A getting the most power out of it then turboing it. Who here has a really powerful LD9 all motor and what did you do to it? Whats your power rating?
What is your HP goal? If it is anything over 225whp you going to be looking at a turbo, nitrous, or supercharger build.
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so true we cant help you much without knowing the goals, I hit 14.0, Paul hit 13.6 or something like that n/a, Im capable with right tack hit 13's also and Paul's I believe can hit 12's with right driver and few other things, our builds are VERY similar, but a few small differences that make a big difference
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i wanna push near 600 HP i mean i def know imma have to boost it to reach that peak of power but how is it that a H22 honda motor so my friend says reach like 400 HP N/A i would think a LD9 would have more potential
lol because honda's have 50 times the aftermarket support we do. their vtec head's own us for the most part as well and that 400whp h series is probably running straight meth and around 14:1 compression, a standalone ECU dyno tuned to perfection, and probably a good chunk of coin.
dont get me wrong i love our engines but the support for parts is next to non-existant to go balls to the ef'n walls with n/a.
there have been 260-335hp quad 4 family engines all motor but you dont want to know what it took for the 335hp engine to get it.
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yes I do lol, so if you want that HP number you need Fetter, Scott and not sure those are the famous ones lol
, n/a your not going to push over 250 to wheels though
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Earl McNulty wrote:Hey im on the fence on either turboing the LD9 im building or running it N/A getting the most power out of it then turboing it. Who here has a really powerful LD9 all motor and what did you do to it? Whats your power rating?
No. To get the most out of it N/A, and then turbo it without changing the compression ratio would be almost promised engine destruction.
I would choose a power goal and go from there. You say 600 one day? I say why not now?
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I think imma power goal with Oedwards and choose 600 HP with forced air induction i mean i wanna stomp some wrx's and other hondas im sick and tired of this guy jared rubbing his wrx in my face when his dad bought it for him. I wanna show him that true power is built not just givien to you
If you have big goals, you are better off going turbo to begin with, you can make way more power easily with FI. Either that or buy a differant car...
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I think imma power goal with Oedwards and choose 600 HP with forced air induction i mean i wanna stomp some wrx's and other hondas im sick and tired of this guy jared rubbing his wrx in my face when his dad bought it for him. I wanna show him that true power is built not just givien to you
Build it for you, not some a-hole. Building a motor/car just to one-up someone is a terrible reason IMO. I'd like to see another 500+ build though!
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trust me dude i am building this car for me but it doesnt help when you have a spoiled ass bitch rubbing his car in you face. But yeah the reason i wanted to build a z24 in the first place is because you dont see many (at least in my area) turboed cavaliers all i see are hondas that are half assed. so Im gonna take my time and build this thing right
think of it like this...if you got deep pockets and 200-225 whp is your goal then na is fine. if you want any more power than that. OR you just want to spend less money. boost would be the way to go.........IMO.
see i dont get that, why do people think building an NA setup is more money?
you still have to build a good motor to handle the boost plus you are going to have how many thousands more into a turbo setup?
basically most n/a builds end up being what most boost builds do around here anyway, except for dished pistons people go for the domed. thats pretty much the only difference ive seen.
in your case though, scott i see you of all people have spent more on your n/a setup but if you consider the money it took to build JUST what you have now, not the 15 different variations of what its been then you probably dont have much more in yours than say someone that built for boost had.
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in theory N/a more due to building them right compaired to just throwing on a turbo and calling it a day
"As I lay rubber down the street, I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God protect my ride." -Amen
For most turbo set ups you can just beef up the bottom end and run a big turbo, you will probably have to upgrade clutch and that too but 200+ hp n/a and you will be doing the same. With an n/a build, you will need to dump lots of money into head work, custom intake manifold, cams, long tube header, bumping up compression, etc. Not all that Is needed on a turbo set up.
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How much did they guy who got 325hp set up cost? And I know alot of guys who go turbo spend the money and do other stuff. But to make 300+hp on a turbo, all you need engine wise is pistons and rods. You don't need cams, head work, valvetrain so you can rev it to the moon, custom intake manifold. Etc.
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and your right..if i factor JUST want i spent on this ONE motor it really wasnt that much. but if i had spent the exact same amount on boost i would probably have the same power..maybe alittle more, and definetly less work.
Rick wrote:How much did they guy who got 325hp set up cost? And I know alot of guys who go turbo spend the money and do other stuff. But to make 300+hp on a turbo, all you need engine wise is pistons and rods. You don't need cams, head work, valvetrain so you can rev it to the moon, custom intake manifold. Etc.
20k + lol that is a lot different though... the n/a setups around here arent anywhere near as big.
you dont even "need" pistons and rods to get to 300whp, jay van is close to if not at 300whp with nothing more than a cam change and turbo.
the point isnt that you can do XX with XX.. the point is most around here that do turbos do build their engines, weather its for longevity and reliability factors or the fact they want more power with more air flow and more rpm the fact still remains the ratio of dollars to dollars for n/a to turbo setup's around here most spend more on going turbo.
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I was more thinking the price of making big numbers n/a 250-300hp.... I bet that 325 hp one isn't really driveable on the street either.?
It depends on the build a guess, I just think n/a would cost more, definitely be more work to meet bigger goals.
The op with need a well built engine with a big turbo to even get close to 600hp though.
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There's a guy in Quebec running all-motor LD9 and he destroys a CRX with a fully built JDM H22 at Napierville Dragway and some other Civic swapped with a V6.
It's pretty impressive and sounds like a monster.
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nope, never.
at least mine got driven when it did actually run... you got what, 120k on ur car in ten years? thats what only 12000 miles a year? lol i netted that just bumming around at car shows in one summer usually hahaahaha and hell you can drive it year round since flordia is a paradise with no snow, tanned beauties and the good life, right?
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