I am looking to get these to go with some either sportlines or gc, but all the places that have them in stock now say that the dspecs are warrantied to only 1.5". I thought these were like just like the yellows were there wasn't really a limit only you couldn't abuse them. Are these the same dspecs that everybodies using on there sportlines, ground controls ect....
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They will be fine. I seem to remember doing some reading back when I bought mine, and Tokico said they would warrant sportlines.
I've been running mine for a year and a half on sportlines, no problems, don't expect any. They are quite capable of handling any spring you can put on our cars.
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Out of all the springs & struts available, that's our most commonly sold setup. I haven't heard anything negative back from a customer.
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I will be running them with Road Magnet's springs which is a 2" drop all around and I know they can handle them.
I've also noticed D-Spec retailers advertising a 1.5" warranty limit lately. I've got a set of D-Specs on order, and I intend to use Sportlines with them. I wouldn't mind knowing if Tokico has changed their official stance, and whether Sportline owners would be out in the cold if something went wrong. I'd hate for D-Specs to become "like AGXs, but more expensive".
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If you are really concerned, the best way to find out is call them... It should be on their website.
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I haven't found anybody at their toll-free number than answers the phone, and they don't seem to have e-mail. I may try sending a fax. All I can say is that I hope their product trumps their customer service.
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Alright, so I was finally able to speak to a gentleman in Tokico customer service. When I mentioned I had a Cavalier, his words were "oh... those cars don't have very much suspension travel. I wouldn't recommend lowering them more than, say... an inch and a quarter." He didn't want to get into specific drop limits, and said that they handle warranty claims "case by case". He didn't seem very familiar with the Eibach springs -- and I filled him in on the Sportline's rated drop of 1.8 and 2.2". He seemed mildly surprised by the prospect of something that low, and seemed skeptical when I suggested the springs were a popular choice amongst J-Body enthusiasts.
In summary, I may have been talking to someone clueless -- but I definitely wouldn't call warranty from Tokico a "sure thing".
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You should try calling again. Maybe you will speak to someone else who is more helpful. And if you guys ever have a warranty claim, just say you used them with the Eibach pro kit.
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I think I'll go ahead and send them a fax. Maybe they can form a more concise response in writing.
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Huzzah. They got back to me.
ATT: Tokico Customer Service / Warranty department
Subject: Question regarding warranty on D-Specs for lowered applications
I purchased a set of D-Spec struts for my 1997 Cavalier upon hearing from numerous J-Body drivers that they would be an excellent choice for use with lowering springs. I intend to use Eibach Sportline springs, which lower 1.8” in front and 2.3” in rear. Sportline springs are a popular choice for many enthusiasts looking for an aggressive suspension stance, and many of these people are choosing your product in the belief that they would not be voiding their warranty.
However, some retailers are now stating that the warranty for D-Specs is valid only up to a 1.5” suspension drop. Your website does not provide any specific limit in the FAQs. I would appreciate clarification on your policy toward lowered vehicle applications. I contacted a member of your customer support staff previously, but was not given a satisfactory answer. If it is not possible to learn your official stance on this subject, it is my understanding that Koni Sport struts may better suit my needs. I look forward to your reply.
Josh Middelkamp
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Josh,
In response to your question about warranty;
Any vehicle in general can be lowered as much as the vehicle will allow. This amount will vary from vehicle manufacturer to vehicle manufacturer depending on the design of that particular vehicles suspension.
Let's take your 97 Cavalier as an example;
TOKICO has found through our testing that a 97 Cavalier can be lowered 1.4" without any modifications (besides alignment). You can go lower without harming or putting undue stress on struts/shocks, as long as you trim the bumpstops accordingly. So for a 1.8/2.3 drop, trim the bumpstops .5" in the front and 1" in the rear and you'll be fine.
As long as the drop and installation is done correctly, we'll take care of any warranty. Not that you would need to, if it's done correctly...
Thanks for your business,
Dan Sugra
High Performance Sales
Tokico/Hitachi Branded Products
800-548-2549 Ext. 3513
dan.sugra@hap.com
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Just because they don't warranty anything lower then 1.5" doesn't mean the struts won't handle more. I have been doing lots of reading on suspensions in preparation for the money to buy one this summer and I have not once heard of any drop causing a Tokico strut to break. Most put it on par with the Koni Yellows, as stated above, which the price and adjust ability match as well.
Gravana tunning sells the struts with springs that go 1.7" up front and 1.5" in the rear.
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In short you should be fine, IMO.
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Shawn McKenzie wrote:Gravana tunning sells the struts with springs that go 1.7" up front and 1.5" in the rear.
Which is funny, since they are also about the only place you'll see any mention of a 1.5" limit on the D-specs. Sort of hypocritical.
I'm happy enough with my response from Dan. It just seems like Tokico doesn't want any numbers set in stone, but that they'll acknowledge any suspension setup that is installed with common sense. It's not quite a comforting as an absolute "yes", but with all the variables involved in a suspension setup, I can't really blame them for wanting to taking warranty claims on a case-for-case basis. The first and foremost concern is reliability, and Tokico certainly is forming a decent reputation in that regard. With luck, I won't be the one to change that trend.
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Trust, you will not have problems with the sportlines what so ever
Good choice
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APlusPerformance - JBodySource wrote:Out of all the springs & struts available, that's our most commonly sold setup. I haven't heard anything negative back from a customer.
If you do decide upon them, let me know and I'll get you a good deal!
Hey Jason emailing you abou this same deal.
