Any thoughts on this shock/spring package for the 03 cavalier?
I've been looking into it for awhile. It seems reasonable. I know its not adjustable.. but I don't need that. I use the car as my DD and that's about all. I thought it'd give it a nice drop and eliminate my wheel gap while it still has the DD comfort.
Any info on these would be appreciated!
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If it is for the HP struts they are not adjustable and everyone here will trash you for being cheap.
Personally I think its a good package and the HP Blue struts are supposed to be the same as the D-Specs just without adjustability. The Blue struts have been proven by various other car makes to be good and reliable so I see no reason to think they'd make a bad product for the J cars.
I agree, it seems like a good package, i am also considering buying the Tokico Hp Struts which are the struts that come in that package i believe. They seem like a good set of struts and they are warrantied for a drop up to 1.5 inches which is good, much like the kyb agx's but again without the adjustability.
I was considering buying HP's and Eibach pro kit but to be honest after seeing that kit i would definitely consider buying that instead, great price for the whole thing and pretty much exactly the same amount of drop with the springs you get in the kit as i would get from the pro kit.
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KFLO wrote:If it is for the HP struts they are not adjustable and everyone here will trash you for being cheap.
Personally I think its a good package and the HP Blue struts are supposed to be the same as the D-Specs just without adjustability. The Blue struts have been proven by various other car makes to be good and reliable so I see no reason to think they'd make a bad product for the J cars.
actually no he wont get trashed for being cheap. theres one thing for peicing a suspension together cheaply and theres another for just buying a cheap suspension. tokico hps are no where as good as dspecs so please do not compare the 2. people will argue that the hps are good for a 1.5" drop just because so and so did it and tokico themselves put lowering springs on it so they must be good. for the spring they pair it with it probably is good but i still see the hps as gr2s and thats the same as an oem replacement.
I've seen it happen here before. Maybe not everyone will talk trash about them, but it always happens in every other thread about them, and it sucks because it always comes from people who haven't tried them. Aka people who have no clue.
What grounds do you have to call the HP only a stock replacement? Tokico says otherwise, and they also say they are the same as the DSpec just without adjustability. So please, don't act like I have no grounds to compare the two.
edit: though it seems I can't find that info to back up my claim at the moment...
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KFLO wrote:I've seen it happen here before. Maybe not everyone will talk trash about them, but it always happens in every other thread about them, and it sucks because it always comes from people who haven't tried them. Aka people who have no clue.
What grounds do you have to call the HP only a stock replacement? Tokico says otherwise, and they also say they are the same as the DSpec just without adjustability. So please, don't act like I have no grounds to compare the two.
edit: though it seems I can't find that info to back up my claim at the moment...
oh here we go. "you never had them so you have no room to talk" excuse. please your not worth the argument. ill save it for someone who actually knows a thing or 2 about suspensions.
KFLO wrote:If it is for the HP struts they are not adjustable and everyone here will trash you for being cheap.
Personally I think its a good package and the HP Blue struts are supposed to be the same as the D-Specs just without adjustability. The Blue struts have been proven by various other car makes to be good and reliable so I see no reason to think they'd make a bad product for the J cars.
this means nothing. Other cars are quite a bit different than J's. Take our stock struts for example.....bad to put lowering springs on, correct? Now take a civic stock struts. perfectly fine to lower on, but obviously not as good as upgrading the struts. So what may work well for another car, doesnt mean it will with a J.
KFLO wrote:What grounds do you have to call the HP only a stock replacement? Tokico says otherwise, and they also say they are the same as the DSpec just without adjustability. So please, don't act like I have no grounds to compare the two.
edit: though it seems I can't find that info to back up my claim at the moment...
id like to see where Tokico themselves compare the 2. Im with Mike in the fact they are no more than stock replacements but stiffer.
im going off the faq on what art wrote. art is a very knowledgible person when it comes to car suspensions. when he wrote that faq he contacted all the companies who make parts for the car like kyb, tokico, koni, etc... and talked to them about their products. unless you can prove me other wise that they are "as good" as dspecs i cant personally believe it. i tried contacting tokico before about the hps and their capiblity to handle what and they never got back to me.
nobody is saying they are 'as good as d-specs' he is just claiming they are d-specs without the adjustability. in which case, if he is correct then they would be just fine to lower on because they are made to handle a drop, same as the d-specs.
dspecs are the same as koni. thats like comparing the gr2 strut to a koni yellow or red. even if it can handle a drop it is not as good as the dspec. dspec can handle much higher spring rates.
So... what you're doing is also basing your information off of second hand sources...
The pot called the kettle black, and the kettle just said what up brotha?
I'm just saying what I've heard, you can take it with a grain of salt and get pissy if you want I personally don't think its worth the trouble to get that worked up over 1 message board post. But, I'd bet money I've had just as many different aftermarket suspension as you, and have done more with them along the lines of autocross and open track days.
edited for niceness...
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i know the hp struts are warranted for the 1.5 drop... I've not decided what i'll do yet.. ugh..
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I've been waiting to hear back from Karo on a price for the HP Strut/Spring Combo since the beginning of the week...
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I probably should have added that I do have personal experience with the HPs on a 3rd Gen Fbody. The McPherson strut on the front of it is similar to our cars... although the weight positioning is a lot different. They work excellent on that car with Z28 springs, and they're probably going to get reused with an Eibach Pro-Kit this summer... I just think they get a bad rap here because of the price... It's not like these are DropZone or Suspension Max struts or some trash. Tokico built its rep on the HPs, and there are people here who have used the HPK291 kit, I think MadJack was one of them. Don't quote me on that though because I don't want to throw names about like that.
I've also been keeping an eye on the Eibach struts for our cars, they list them in my computers at work now... still not orderable though. For the price these will be the strut to have
if they ever come out.
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I've decided to go a little different and I do have the springs purchased. I went with the eibach pro kit with the 1.4 drop all around.. same drop as the ones in the kit.. I figured they'd have a better feel then the ones in their kit.. and i'm going to order up some tokico blue shocks n struts here this weekend.. hopefully.
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Does anyone else have this setup..
Tokico HP shocks/struts along with the Eibach Pro-Kit Springs?
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okay i got the tokico hp front and rear struts and i have the eibach pro kit springs.. now is there anything else that is needed for lowering the car or will this be all?
I know its a newb question but im new to suspension.. i'm new to cars period seeing this is my first car.. and my parents always had vans.. so this is my first car to mess with and i've come quite a bit with it!
thanks for the help !
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RFoGaLX wrote:okay i got the tokico hp front and rear struts and i have the eibach pro kit springs.. now is there anything else that is needed for lowering the car or will this be all?
I know its a newb question but im new to suspension.. i'm new to cars period seeing this is my first car.. and my parents always had vans.. so this is my first car to mess with and i've come quite a bit with it!
thanks for the help !
If you have more then 50,000km on the car, you would do yourself good to buy decent quality stock front and rear strut mounts, or even better the performance ones... your stock mounts will likely start making noise once you've been lowered for a while and then you'll
have to tear it all apart to replace them, better to do it all in one shot.
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thanks now what about the strut boot? should that be replaced as well?
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suspension will be installed tomorrow.. tokico hp blues on eibach prokit springs with new front and rear mounts and a new set of front bellows.. i'll post up pics for those to see how the drop loooks on 18" exel light wheels.. i'll also have a 2.25 header to 2.375 catback exhaust system with a wideband installled...
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Cool, good luck with the install.
Let us know how they ride and stuff, i am looking at buying the exact same suspension set up for my 95. So it will be good to know exactly what i would be getting my self into.
(99 - Sunfire - Red - 2200)(95 - Cavalier z24 - Purple - 2.3 quad four)
the car is lowered.. looks good .. got rid of a lot of the wheel gap so thats an improvement. It's definitely a noticeable drop so i'm glad about that. The car doesn't seem to feel any different whenever I drive it. So the comfort is about the same and the feel for driving is about the same as stock as well. Love it nonetheless!
I'll take pictures tomorrow. I have off work so it'll be a good day to mess around.
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Thought I would let you know..I have the HP Struts on a 2 inch drop front and 1.4 rear..I have had it now for just over a year with no issues..Before buying them i spent a lot of time on the phone with Tokco,And question them about the HP & Dspec...I was told the same thing by 4 different sales people...The Hp Strut is the same internals except for the fact it can not be adjusted,They said if you are doing a lot of track driving you are better with the DSpec,But for everyday the HP will work fine..I asked about the drop..the told me up to a 2 inch drop is warranted as long as you cut the Bump Stop..I cant remember how much i had to cut,,But I asked and they told me what I needed to cut off..The also told me most of the strut failure they see is Improper installation of the strut,,Example,using vice grips on the rod which will scratch it and cause a leak..I have found the struts to work well in town driving they have a nice feel,But when pushed into hard cornering they really feel good..I am not saying they are the best but.So far with my experience they are not crap and better than a OEM Strut..I will be buying them again when I need to replace them..And for the price you just cant go wrong..Hope you enjoy them..
well the car is lowered so pictures as promised..
1st pic.. stock suspension with 18" exel lights..
now the car lowered on tokico hp sturts and 1.4" eibach prokit springs all around..
and now just a few shots and closeups..
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