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motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 11, 2009 6:24 AM
i swaped the 3500 into my cav and now it useless lol it spins right up through second. even if i roll off the clutch it will cherp second almost every time unless i baby it. its not wheel hop just spin and tourqe steer.i have rk sport coilovers and a strut bar, i know i need beter tires but k-brace? wat might help

Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 11, 2009 7:21 AM
Tires....



Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 11, 2009 7:31 AM
Time to ditch those stock tires and get something that can grip.
Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 11, 2009 9:04 AM
yep drag radials here i come. my wallet hurts lol
Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 11, 2009 1:44 PM
ray gardner wrote:wat might help
AWD





Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 11, 2009 7:52 PM
17x8 or 16x8 with some 225s



Re: motor swap = no traction
Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:42 PM
Drivetrain out of an AWD equinox, Its sweet looking, the tail shaft cone unbolts from the fwd trans and they bolt a lil gear box on there to run the rear drive shaft from. If I was goin to make an AWD cavy that would be my choice.


01 cav w/01 3400 gam gt 4t45e

Re: motor swap = no traction
Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:01 PM
Jo Mx... wrote:Drivetrain out of an AWD equinox, Its sweet looking, the tail shaft cone unbolts from the fwd trans and they bolt a lil gear box on there to run the rear drive shaft from. If I was goin to make an AWD cavy that would be my choice.
Got any good pics of that gear box? I wonder if it could be adapted to another tranny.

I've been looking for an F-40 AWD trans. They use a different bolt pattern than most of the 3x00 engines, but since the regular F-40 has the old metric pattern, I'm wondering if it's swappable. If not, i'm actually considering making a jig to cut off the bellhousing and weld on the metric one.

I do like the Equinox rear end, though. I was also looking at the Aztek one. I think they're similar, but the Aztek one might be a little narrower.






Re: motor swap = no traction
Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:13 PM
300 lbs of lead weight over the front.



Re: motor swap = no traction
Monday, December 14, 2009 2:45 AM
gtpsunfire wrote:Tires....

+1
My tires that I use for the winter are pretty @!#$ty. They do great in the snow but not anything else (and they're not even snow tires). I can spin into 3rd gear with those. To show how @!#$ty those tires are, I can get a small spin into 2nd in normal conditions with the tires for the summer, which are only Fuzions. Nothing special, but they seem to stick better.

LSD probably wouldn't be bad either.





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Re: motor swap = no traction
Monday, December 14, 2009 4:19 AM
i was thinkin f40 awd 6 speed from a saab. lol and a subaru rear to retain 5x100 lol

Re: motor swap = no traction
Monday, December 14, 2009 2:44 PM
F40a trans is an eco bolt pattern you would then have to find an F40 from a G6 and swap half the case if its even the same with the AWD part of it

equinox auto trans would be the best however the equinox rear end or aztek would be a horible choice there and On Demand AWD and you might experiance premature clutch park wear. you best to get a solstic rear end an fab that in there



JBO since July 30, 2001
Re: motor swap = no traction
Monday, December 14, 2009 3:24 PM
i was jk. love j-bodys but would never consider THAT much into one beter off makin awd fast than fast into awd lol
Re: motor swap = no traction
Monday, December 14, 2009 4:48 PM
ray gardner wrote:i was jk. love j-bodys but would never consider THAT much into one beter off makin awd fast than fast into awd lol
Some people just enjoy building stuff that's different.

Not a penny goes into my car that I think is a good investment. I do it simply for the enjoyment.

Matt, I'm pretty sure you can not simply swap the case from the F40 AWD to the one from the G6. I believe the bellhousing and the section of the case where the rear drive exits are the same piece, however, I haven't had my hands on one to check. I'm thinking it's going to be a fab project. The Solstice rear may be the way to go, but I was also thinking a 9-3 Aero rear from the same car the F-40 comes from would be the best bet. I'm not sure where the FDRs fall into place on these things, so mixing and matching could prove ridiculous.






Re: motor swap = no traction
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:55 PM
I put 3400 in mine it does same can be going 30-40 kn in first give it a torq and will go to 4th and chirp in 5 th sometimes.I don't do it all the time definitly tried it out when I did the swap though



Z34 cavy -3400 Swapped
Re: motor swap = no traction
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:19 AM
youve upped your power to weight ratio on a fwd car, of course its gonna spin the tires
Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 18, 2009 6:26 AM
I can also use 5th gear at 27mph. It's like having a turbodiesel. lol





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Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 18, 2009 5:27 PM
Quiklilcav wrote:
ray gardner wrote:i was jk. love j-bodys but would never consider THAT much into one beter off makin awd fast than fast into awd lol
Some people just enjoy building stuff that's different.

Not a penny goes into my car that I think is a good investment. I do it simply for the enjoyment.

Matt, I'm pretty sure you can not simply swap the case from the F40 AWD to the one from the G6. I believe the bellhousing and the section of the case where the rear drive exits are the same piece, however, I haven't had my hands on one to check. I'm thinking it's going to be a fab project. The Solstice rear may be the way to go, but I was also thinking a 9-3 Aero rear from the same car the F-40 comes from would be the best bet. I'm not sure where the FDRs fall into place on these things, so mixing and matching could prove ridiculous.


yeah i figured the F40 and F40a cases wouldn't be compatible on the bellhousing the eco guys have the luxury for this option

my next big project will be a soltstice rear end and a 3800 camero trans and just do an RWD cav with IRS i would use a solstice entire rear end assembly



JBO since July 30, 2001
Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, December 18, 2009 7:14 PM
NOTa2_4 wrote:my next big project will be a soltstice rear end and a 3800 camero trans and just do an RWD cav with IRS i would use a solstice entire rear end assembly
If you're going that far, why not start with the Caddy 3.6 and turbo it?





Re: motor swap = no traction
Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:24 PM
Bring a fat chick along with ya..... traction problem solved...


But seriousley.... just get better tires LOL





Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, January 08, 2010 6:47 AM
just remember if you start mixing and matching trans's and rear ends, to get identical final drive ratios between the two, wouldn't want stuff breaking all the time. And ive thought about awd and rwd. actually, im still thinking it. lol i mean come on, how sweet would it be to see a 4 banger j pull a wheel stand, haha. imagine peoples reaction.


horsepower is the force that determines at what speed you hit the wall, torque is the force that determines how far you take the wall with you after you hit it.

Re: motor swap = no traction
Friday, January 08, 2010 1:53 PM
would be much easier to put a j-body on an s-10 frame. I've seen quite a few second gens and a few 3rd gens like this. I'm curious how much harder it would be to put a j-body on a subaru platform?
Re: motor swap = no traction
Saturday, January 09, 2010 3:10 AM
Beings that the S-10 sits on an actual frame and the Subaru doesn't.... it would be quite a bit harder.





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Re: motor swap = no traction
Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:19 PM
None of the Subarus use a full frame? Theyre all sub frames like Camaros and Cavaliers?
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