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Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Friday, July 28, 2006 7:37 AM
With the new www.elementaldesigns.com website coming out soon, we plan on releasing a few video tutorials, for people who need that extra help, but learn more by watching than reading. I just wanted to post up the script that will be used.



This is a Tutorial on proper settings of an amplifiers gain structure.

First a little knowledge on the gain and what it does. A common misconception is that the gain is like a volume knob, or another one is that ½ way equals 50% power, and all the way equals 100%. These are not true, the gain is a level matching device, to allow you to match the signal being sent from your cd player, and create the most amount of power, without clipping which is the cause of distortion and excess heat to the voice coil. With most newer cd players being at least 4 volt outputs or more, there isn’t a need to turn the gains up as high as with, a 2 or even 1 volt RCA preouts. We will show you what clipping sounds like, and what it visually looks like at the end of the presentation.

We will first start with the items needed:

A digital multi meter or DMM , they can be purchased at a Radio Shack, automotive parts store, or Walmart in the automotive department, for usually around $15-20 dollars. The multi meter is a basic trouble shooting device that all 12-volt mobile electronics enthusiasts should have.

A screwdriver, or other device for adjusting the settings on the amp.

A cd with test tones, a 50hz 0-db, for setting of the gain on a sub-woofer amp, and a 150 Hz for setting the gains the other speakers in the vehicle, and then a tone for setting your crossovers. This tone is dependent on where you decide you want your amplifier crossed over at. For example. If you want to low pass your sub-woofers at 80hz. You will need an 80hz 0 db tone. If you want to lowpass them at 65hz, then a 65hz 0 db tone is needed.

Next we will be using a basic formula to figure out where the gain needs to be set.
For this you need to know how much power your amplifier is rated at.

We will use a 2 channel nine.2. It is rated at 400 watts by 1 at 4 ohms when bridged.
The formula is sq root of Watts x resistance(ohm load)

400 watts by 4 ohm is 1600 then we find the sq root of 1600 which is equal to 40

We now know that 40 volts is equal to 400 watts.

This 40 volts will be found with the DMM.


Now we will begin.

The first step is to turn your cd player on. Then set any boost settings, or eq setting to 0 or flat, turn bass boost or loudness features off.

If your cd player has crossover settings, and you decide to use those over the amplifiers, I suggest you turn those on now. A sub-woofer low pass setting should be no higher than 120hz, we recommend 80hz or lower, depending on listening preference. The high pass on the rest of the speakers in the vehicle should be around the same point as the low pass. For explanation purposes we will use 80hz today.

If you have more than one amp in the vehicle, I recommend you unhook the amps not being set. This will prevent any damage to the other speakers in the vehicle.

The next step is to go to the amplifier and set the x over setting to full. If using a mono block amp such as a nine, turn the crossover all the way up so it does not affect the signal.

Then proceed to make sure the gain is turned all the way down.

You will then hook the DMM up to the speaker terminals with the speaker wire in them, one in the positive one in the negative. You will keep the speakers connected during the process.

The dmm will need to be turned on, and set to voltage ac, your DMM owners manual should explain to you where voltage AC is at. As for the number settings, you will want to have the decimal place at a hundredth, for example 00.00

Since we are testing the nine.2 bridged for a sub-woofer. I will be using the 50hz tone. If setting the gain for upper frequency drivers the 150hz tone will be used.

Insert the tone cd and then proceed to turn the cd player volume to 75%. If using stock speakers running off the cd player, then turn it up to where they start to distort, and then down a little bit.

Turn the 0 db 50hz tone onto repeat.

With the DMM running, slowly turn the gains up, you will notice the voltage increase, slowly turn the gain up until 40 volts is reached.


With the 40volts being reached the speaker is seeing 400 watts. You can then stop the tone and turn the cd player down.

Now if you are using the amplifiers crossovers, we will be setting these now. Since we have a sub-woofer hooked up, we will turn the crossover to Low pass filter, or LPF. The LPF dial will then be turned all the way up. Since we decided to cross the sub over at 80 Hz, we will throw the 80hz tone into the cd player, we will then turn the volume up a little bit, so the sub is noticeable, no need to be turned up all the way. Put on repeat.

The LPF dial will be slowly turned down until the sub-woofer starts to not play the tone with the intensity it did before, The sub-woofer will not stop completely playing the tone, but it will get quieter. You will then slightly turn the crossover back until the speaker is playing with all intensity again. You are then crossed over around 80hz.

The same goes for a other speakers playing your upper frequency range, only you will want to set the amp to high pass filter or HPF, and use the HPF dial.


Now that your gain and crossover is set properly the chance of damaging your speaker and amps is cut significantly, but you need to remember, a lot of music today is recorded with clipping, so you still need to be careful and watch for signs of driver stress.



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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Friday, July 28, 2006 7:43 AM
Awesome, I can't wait for the video.



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Friday, July 28, 2006 9:19 AM
If you plan on setting up an amp anytime soon, it might be worth the long read.

Alot of good, basic information, and the video might be a month + out.



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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Friday, July 28, 2006 10:08 AM
Good write up, especially referring to preout voltage and 75% volume as some headunits start to clip the prout voltage (i've heard kenwood is bad about this) when going too far past 75% on the volume.

Only problem I see is if someones sets the gains on a cheap overrated amp with a meter, then the amp could very well be clipping. Likewise an underrated amp will not see full potential, but since most of us don't have oscilloscopes laying around this is a pretty good alternative.



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Friday, July 28, 2006 10:15 AM
when the videos come out.... sticky?



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:16 AM
Um, if you look ^^^^^^^ it's already in my sticky.



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:08 AM
Alex Lindeman wrote:a lot of music today is recorded with clipping

Please explain this statement. I don't get it.
Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:17 PM
when you say volume at 75%, do you mean 75% of the max volume or 75% of the max you have it up. Because on my alpine the highest I turned it up was 20, 1 or 2 past that and my components started to clip. But I didnt have a nice tutorial like this to set them up, so maybe if I did this I could go past 20. But if I wanted to make it so 20 was my max could I do that and set all of this up with the volume at 15 or no?

Either way, definetly a good read. I wish I would have had this when I had the system in my truck. I'll definetly use this when I put my system in my new car though.
Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:59 PM
I've been having trouble with setting the gains on my fronts.

The head unit is a Pioneer DEH-P6700MP
The amp is an Alpine T-220 or something, but it's 200W / 70RMSx2 @ 2ohms, 50RMSx2 at 4ohms.

50x4 sqrt is 14.14, but when I put my Multimeter up to the terminals it doesn't get anywhere close. At the "NOM" point, the amp reads about 1V, at max it's about 6V or 7V.

Any ideas? The preouts are supposed to be 2V



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Monday, July 31, 2006 7:41 AM
Spitfire2332 wrote:when you say volume at 75%, do you mean 75% of the max volume or 75% of the max you have it up. Because on my alpine the highest I turned it up was 20, 1 or 2 past that and my components started to clip. But I didnt have a nice tutorial like this to set them up, so maybe if I did this I could go past 20. But if I wanted to make it so 20 was my max could I do that and set all of this up with the volume at 15 or no?

Either way, definetly a good read. I wish I would have had this when I had the system in my truck. I'll definetly use this when I put my system in my new car though.


The 75% is of the CD players max volume, do you have your components running off the headunit, or an amp? If an amp, I suggest you turn the gains down and re-adjust. If they are off the cd player, then adjust the gains from the most you can get with the internal amp clipping.


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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Monday, July 31, 2006 7:43 AM
BradSk88 wrote:I've been having trouble with setting the gains on my fronts.

The head unit is a Pioneer DEH-P6700MP
The amp is an Alpine T-220 or something, but it's 200W / 70RMSx2 @ 2ohms, 50RMSx2 at 4ohms.

50x4 sqrt is 14.14, but when I put my Multimeter up to the terminals it doesn't get anywhere close. At the "NOM" point, the amp reads about 1V, at max it's about 6V or 7V.

Any ideas? The preouts are supposed to be 2V


Did you make sure that your EQ is set flat? and that you turned up the volume to 75%?

and what are you using for a tone? make sure it is 0Db or 0 bit.


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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Monday, July 31, 2006 9:33 AM
have another question, its about cross over. You talk about your amp having a LPF dial. My friends amp doesnt have a LPF dial so how would we go about setting the cross over as close as possible, just kind of guess?
Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Monday, July 31, 2006 12:17 PM
Alex Lindeman wrote:
Did you make sure that your EQ is set flat? and that you turned up the volume to 75%?

and what are you using for a tone? make sure it is 0Db or 0 bit.


EQ on the head unit is at 0-0-0, volume is at 45/62 (The 3/4 mark on the dial)
I was using (I believe, it's been a while) a 70hz tone recorded at 0db constantly.



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Monday, July 31, 2006 5:28 PM
Use something lower in hertz, like 20 or 30. The lower the hertz, the more voltage it pushes.



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Monday, July 31, 2006 6:32 PM
Does it matter that the amp is being used for components, 50Hz dropoff?



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:58 PM
If you buy JL AMPS it comes in the Manual.



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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:27 AM
Sorry it took a little while to reply, but is it possible to use a higher frequency, it makes me wonder if you have your crossover adjusted wrong, and its cutting off the frequency that you are using, in turn not putting out enough voltage.




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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:33 AM
You can use this website Clicky if you're too lazy to do the calculations. Just type in your wattage and the Ohm's, and it'll give you the voltage your amp needs to put out.




Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:16 PM
I turned off the HPF on the head unit and amp and used a 30hz test tone and it worked Not sure what I missed before, maybe the HU HPF :\



Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:12 PM
I still do mine by ear

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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:29 PM
Impossible for me :\

I tried, but I thought it was clipping waaaaay before it actually is. I just don't know what clipping sounds like.




Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:06 AM
wysiwyg wrote:I still do mine by ear
Calibrated ears? I used to use an oscilloscope, but before I had one I just set it by ear.
Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:01 AM
Labotomi wrote:
wysiwyg wrote:I still do mine by ear
Calibrated ears? I used to use an oscilloscope, but before I had one I just set it by ear.

yep.

SQ is judged by ear isn't it...so makes sense that i set my equipment by ear, doesn't it?

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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:39 AM
I was really suprised the first time i took my "clean" signal to an O-scope.

What I thought was clean, wasnt. It was clipping pretty good, but my ear couldnt pick it up.

but you need to use what works best for you.



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Re: Amplifier Gain and Crossover Setting Tutorial.
Friday, August 04, 2006 6:54 PM
Labotomi wrote:
Alex Lindeman wrote:a lot of music today is recorded with clipping

Please explain this statement. I don't get it.


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