Replacing my front door speakers in the 02 real soon here, with one of these two choices.
TS-A1683R
6.5 4-Way Speaker with 280 Watts Max. Power
30 Watts Nominal Power
"Open and Smooth" Sound Design
Carbon Graphite IMPP Interlaced Aramid/Basalt Fiber Cone
$100.00
TS-D1602R
6.5 2-Way Speaker with 260 Watts Max. Power
60 Watts Nominal Power
Revolutionary Basalt Fiber IMX speaker cones provide ideal performance to deliver amazing sound
$169
I have 4-ways in the 98, love them.
But my question is: what makes the 2-way better than the four way? It's obviously more expensive....
Thoughts?
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Kevin Kevin Kevin... If you want a nice long and detailed tutorial on speakers and audio, you should know to just get in touch with me! Seriously.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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Oh dude. If you go with the D series (the $169 ones) you will NOT be disappointed. They are great speakers and they blow all the mainstream speakers in that price range out of the water.
Unless Dustin can swing some kind of uber deal
And the reason 2-ways are better than 4-ways is because 4-ways are a gimmick.
The more expensive 2-ways simply have better crossover components on the basket.
Haha swing a deal? Liiiiiikkkkeeeee.... If I said I will shoot a phone call or email to my Rainbow dealer and see what kick ass 6.5" components he has in the $100-$200 range? hehehe I just might do that right now
And yes, as Brad said, it's all a gimmick. If you have a quality coaxial speak with a tweeter and woofer, it will do everything you want it to. Look at it this way, when buying some high end components, you usually get 2-way sets. Unless you go bigger and get a 3 way passive component set or even more advanced, go active.... Basically a quality tweeter and woofer will play all the frequnecies they were designed to. That 4-5-6-100 way thing is all crap, they just keep adding "super tweeters" that just play pingy high frequencies and "look cool". Even in a 3-way component, you are not adding more highs, in a general way, to explain it, you are having a 6.5" midbass to pick up say 50-150hz, a 4" mid to do 150-300hz, and a tweeter to grab everything higher... NO nuts ass 4 or 5 way crap.
Trust me when I said, there is a reason the high end companies don't market those types of speakers
BUT back on topic of WHAT to buy, I actually am emailing my dealer right now. If I can get you into some Rainbows in your price range, I will! If you are willing to spend $200-$250 I can get you some very nice sounding components for the fronts, as long as you have enough power to throw at them, you will be in heaven compared to what you have now(which I have heard lol), and what you are planning to get.. WORLDS ahead.
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Thought about calling you, but keep in mind, this is for the new daily driver, the blue 2002 Z24.
I'm happy with the 98's system. The 98 is no where near "competition" level, & I know that, but I like the way it is.
But on the other hand, looking to make the new 02 even better.
Would like to use pioneer/mtx equipment though. Has always satisfied my needs.
Excuse my ignorance but what is rainbow?
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Rainbow is a high end audio company. They are based in Germany. I happen to keep in direct contact and a good personal relationship with the USA's largest and most trusted authorized dealer(not aloud to sell online, per contract with them and the other high end brands he has like TRU, Synfoni and Dynaudio). I understand the feeling of going with brands that haven't let you down, but even the entry level stuff from the high end brands will blow your mind. Give me a budget, let me know what kind of power your amp has available for them, and I bet I can work something out to get you into a set of Rainbows. Like I said, it's a higher end brand, and even their affordable stuff sounds amazing.
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Don't have an amp yet either, would like to run an amp to the 6.5 & 6x9 speakers, & install a DVD/CD receiver as well
and probably some kind of bass set-up.
Recommendation for the best Pioneer DVD/CD combo?
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double din or flip out?
And as for amps and speakers, if you want, I will price that all out for ya. Problem being with the high end stuff, amps get pricey. If you are in love with MTX, their amps aren't too bad, snag up a nice 4 channel and be good for all 4 speakers. If you go with some components as I suggested, it wouldn't hurt to have 100-150 watts on tap, but also keep in mind to PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to tuning, because you wouldn't want to send that kind of wattage to your 6X9 coaxials.
One thing a lot of people don't get is that you could have an amp that has potential for 1000 watts powering a speaker that handles 20 watts just fine, you can't do it the other way around safely with any kind of volume
I can also give you a quick run down on tuning an amp with a multimeter as a good starting point to keep all your speakers powered their best, but also safely! It's a pretty darn simple procedure to get a good baseline.
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Probably a flip out with a detatchable face.
PIONEER AVH-P5200BT looks nice....
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I personally can't say that Pioneers fit and finish is bad. Anything they make will be quality. I HATE their "wobbly knob" setup, but if you like Pioneer, just get whichever one fits your budget and needs. They don't make junk head units.
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^^^ look that one up, tell me what u think?
AVH-P5200BT
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Find a local store that has one on display to play with. MAKE SURE the touch screen is quality, durable, and user friendly. Every feature it has looks decent and like it's packed full of @!#$, the touch screen is the big thing to make sure you like.
BTW, talking to my dealer right now of all the high end equipment I use, and he said he has a couple Rainbow speakers picked out that should fit your budget. here is info on them:
If you want to get an amp and upgrade your fronts to some nice components, these are some awesome entry level Rainbow comps that he can work on price with you on:
http://195.243.203.21/rainbow/technical.aspx?pa=12111132&lan=ENG They are rated at 100w RMS per side. Great entry level set of high quality components from a company I LIVE by in any kind of affordable price range! They have never let me down.
If you are sticking with just some 6.5" coaxials, these are what he's thinking:
http://195.243.203.21/rainbow/technical.aspx?pa=122134&lan=ENG
If pictures help you:
The Dream Line SLX components:
http://www.aux.lv/images/SLX-265-deluxe.png
The SL coaxials:
http://www.carhifi-one.de/bilder/produkte/gross/RainbowSoundLineSL165NG.png
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On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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The Pioneer TS-D1602R 6.5 front speakers showed up today. Turns out they have a crossover built right into them, so I was very excited to see that.
Now I'm just waiting on my adapters to show up so I can put them in! w00t!
Thanks for your opinions guys!
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Bumper......do you have any pictures of the fronts before and after install.? reason is i also wanna upgrade to 6.5 comps but unsure which will/won't fit due to mounting space etc......any tips/help is appreciated.
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So I know I'm tread jacking but whats the story on these rainbows I keep hearing about but never get to HEAR. I keep trying to find someone that has them so I can get an idea. It seems to me like speakers/component systems break down into 3 basic catagories:
1 - The cheap ones: tweeter-rich and cheap.
2 - The middle road: Sound good when tuned correctly with a good headunit EQ and a decent amp, but don't get nearly loud enough without breaking up. Workable price range.
3 - High end audio: Sound awesome, AND get pretty d@mn loud. Of course they're expensive, but it's usually worth the money.
This is the problem I have with my audiobahns (ABC600V). Believe it or not, they sound pretty good. But they cant get nearly loud enough without giving up. I've heard hertz 6.5 components before, and they seem to be in catagory 3. How does rainbow compare to them?
"In Oldskool we trust"
Hertz as well as Rainbow both sell multiple lines of speakers for different budgets. Since you heard some Hertz comps, I'm going to estimate they were a $300-$500 set of comps, that is most common price range the average joe spends on the higher end brands... Honestly, I can't compare side by side as I have never heard 2 comparable sets of speakers from each company around the same time frame... I will say, however, being that I ride their nuts for a reason, if you ever look into that price range, look at Rainbow. Get in touch with me if you ever decide to take a chance on them(you wont regret it).
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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It'll probably happen, I'm just not sure when. I'll be looking to pay somewhere around that range (300-500). I still wonder if a GOOD 3 way component system wouldn't be a better option for me though. It'll just kill me on price. I think I'm demanding too much out of a 6.5. I want rigid dirty guitar and bass guitar reproduction. As of now I can feel the voices rather than just hear them and the bass guitar hits decent but the range directly above that isn't where I would like it to be. I think the only way a speaker that size can do what I'm asking it to do is to take some of the higher notes off the load and put them on a 3-5" mid. I looked into adding some 6.5" midrange drivers before too. They looked like a great option until I realized that I would need a third amp to do it right.
"In Oldskool we trust"
3 way is reeeaally hard to pull off. Do you have access to 3-way time alignment?
Wow I just read up a little bit on that concept. I see now why you said it would be REALLY tough to do right; especially in a door that isn't flat. Although, you are sitting so at least you have a static target area. I always thought specialization was the way to get what I want out of my system. That still may be true but after reading some information on this, I realize how much tougher it is than just adding equipment and placing it generally in the right areas...
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Honestly, a high quality set of 2-way passive components should do you ok. Install is a HUGE part of it. you want to mount the mids to some nice sturdy baffles, dampen your doors and make them as sealed off as you can. That alone will help midbass and midrange production, then just focus on things like tweeter placements and such... A higher end of components will surprise the hell out of you if installed, amped and tuned correctly.
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