this is a question for the saab guys, the saab kit uses a td04 correct?and the srt guys stock turbo is the same? well alot of guys on the srt forums are porting thier stock turbos and getting new wheels installed in them and alot of the guys are running very good times and are pushing the stcok turbos to the limit. im just wondering if since the turbos are the same we could do this to the saab turbo and maybe push a few extra horses out of it. i know of two places that will port the turbo and install a bigger wheel for about 350-400 which is pretty good price to me. any thoughts on this?
How much would it cost to get the actual turbo in the first place? After figuring in the price of buying the turbo then adding that extra 350-400 you might be better off just buying a bigger turbo from elsewhere.
i see that the only thing is from reading on here there is hardly any options that fit the saab mani, and i believe some one posted a link of a turbo that was used as an upgrade for the saab 9-3 guys but it came out to i believe 1100 dollars? cant be sure but ill try and dig it up
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i believe if u scroll down, joeydabomb kinda explains it lol, couldnt find the original post
Ouch! Thats pretty pricey.
I have a question for all you Saab Ecotec guys. Why the hell would you take argueably the best motor ever made for the jbody platform and go cheap as all hell and use OEM Saab @!#$? I will never understand why anybody would want to just go the cheap route on a turbo setup. maybe reliability of OEM? i honestly dont know. so maybe some one can explain to me why you would waste time, money and effort on OEM when you already know there is parts sitting on a shelf out there for your car. and dont tell me its to pricey. Because you want to talk about pricey. Build a 2200 motor and have everything custom made like i and many others have done and trust me i am not rich
Josh G. wrote:I have a question for all you Saab Ecotec guys. Why the hell would you take argueably the best motor ever made for the jbody platform and go cheap as all hell and use OEM Saab @!#$? I will never understand why anybody would want to just go the cheap route on a turbo setup. maybe reliability of OEM? i honestly dont know. so maybe some one can explain to me why you would waste time, money and effort on OEM when you already know there is parts sitting on a shelf out there for your car. and dont tell me its to pricey. Because you want to talk about pricey. Build a 2200 motor and have everything custom made like i and many others have done and trust me i am not rich
1. OEM = Very inexpensive/ Reliable. The saab kit can be had for under 1000 dollars.
2. Stock Bottom ends.
3. Why not, It might as well have been a kit sold from gm. The GM s/c set up is the stock cobalt set up but sold from gm as a bolt on for your car.
so is the s/c kit "junk" as you put it?
I'm sorry a different post refers to it as junk not this one, this one is oem saab @!#$. lol
This is why i asked but like i said personally i wouldnt do it. And who said anything about the GM supercharger kit. I certainly did not. I am not in favor of superchargers at all. After having a LS Integra with a jackson supercharger im not impressed plus they run WAY to hot for my taste. Just figured i would ask even if it meant getting flamed for not wanting to waste the money to have a stock turbo that is just going to make you want to upgrade and not get smoked by everybody running bigger than a 16G.
Its not really porting but they shave it for clearance and install a larger wheel to pusah a little more air. Lots of volvo guys do this to create a "hybrid" turbo.
Josh G. wrote:I have a question for all you Saab Ecotec guys. Why the hell would you take argueably the best motor ever made for the jbody platform and go cheap as all hell and use OEM Saab @!#$? I will never understand why anybody would want to just go the cheap route on a turbo setup. maybe reliability of OEM? i honestly dont know. so maybe some one can explain to me why you would waste time, money and effort on OEM when you already know there is parts sitting on a shelf out there for your car. and dont tell me its to pricey. Because you want to talk about pricey. Build a 2200 motor and have everything custom made like i and many others have done and trust me i am not rich
Funny as hell. ROFLOL
"Parts sitting on a shelf". Yeah @!#$ parts with no developmental durability testing, no long term proven sucess record. And so on.
OEM reliability wins hands down.
And what do you gain by doing it other ways if not reliability? Performance?
I doubt there are many Js with other aftermarket or home built kits running any better. All the Saab Js I see are solidly in the 13's.
What does your high dollar custom 2200 run anyway?
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Josh G. wrote:This is why i asked but like i said personally i wouldnt do it. And who said anything about the GM supercharger kit. I certainly did not. I am not in favor of superchargers at all. After having a LS Integra with a jackson supercharger im not impressed plus they run WAY to hot for my taste. Just figured i would ask even if it meant getting flamed for not wanting to waste the money to have a stock turbo that is just going to make you want to upgrade and not get smoked by everybody running bigger than a 16G.
1. most of the saab kit guys are running faster times stock block vs stock block than those running the Hahn StgII kits from what I've seen on this org which runs a 16g so your point? (majority
2. I referred to the gm s/c set up as a point of reference of stock parts also functioning as bolt on performance.
And you might find a couple ppl who like superchargers
One plus of the Saabs TD04 is instant boost almost like a supercharger but less heat. But the downside is it runs out of breath really quick yes you can see them in the 13s but not much over. Don't get me wrong I love to Saab kit its makes for a fun daily driver.
you can get a disco potato (gt28r) for $900ish and be way faster than a stock srt4 ported turbo
protomec wrote:"Parts sitting on a shelf". Yeah @!#$ parts with no developmental durability testing, no long term proven sucess record. And so on.
OEM reliability wins hands down.
And what do you gain by doing it other ways if not reliability? Performance?
I doubt there are many Js with other aftermarket or home built kits running any better. All the Saab Js I see are solidly in the 13's.
What does your high dollar custom 2200 run anyway?
Ok first off considering i am still putting the finishing touches on my car I have not even turn key with the freshly bolted Turbonetics T3/T4 A/R .70 20G turbo on her. But you can believe no matter good or bad numbers i will be posting them.
Secondly, I guess what the anwser to my question is: the reason you guys are running SAAB set ups is because you want cheap reliable HP. Not because the parts are not available (which they are and people are using them on there NHRA drag engines every day)
With that said did i ask for a bunch of smart asses that havent even been here longer than me to give me crap because they are to cheap to spend some money piecing together a kit? No i dont think i did.
K. Vega..Mr. M62 L61 himself. wrote: And you might find a couple ppl who like superchargers
cool man. Like i said they are not for me. Hence why i ditched my S/C Integra and decided to turn my bone stock 4-door Automatic cavalier into what she is now. (that and the F&F ruined the fun of having an Import for me)
so no one thinks this would benefit us? maybe i should just bolt on my friends off his srt and see if it makes a difference?
Well I remember reading in Turbo magazine quite a few years ago about Lisa Kubo having her compressor side, turbine side and both wheels extrude honed and she picked up 50 whp at 3 - 5 less psi of boost. What happens is the extrude hone process smooths/increases the airflow thru the turbo therefore increasing the power. so if your turbo is sized right for your combo then extrude honing will increase your hp/tq without adding the lag that a too large turbo would cause.
cavipower1 wrote:so no one thinks this would benefit us? maybe i should just bolt on my friends off his srt and see if it makes a difference?
Will you see a gain? Most likely. The problem though, is that it isn't practical. You pay 350-400 for a compressor to flow more...ok? So what happens when your exhaust wheel runs out of steam? That's a big problem with the small td04 exhaust wheel/housing. There's a reason larger compressors generally require a larger exhaust wheel too. The most logical solution to gaining significantly more power is to just upgrade the turbo completely, unless you are just looking for a few extra ponies out of the stock turbocharger...in which case, more power to ya (so to speak).
