Hey I was just interested in knowing if anyone knows of a company that makes Transmission pans that are strong and made better than the factory transmission pan beause my transmission pans keep getting bent/cracked.
when it comes to boobs i need a girl with bad grades cause im tired of all the ones walking around with straight a's
to my knowledge no one makes a pan for the 4t40e trans. stock or stock...
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Stop hitting @!#$ and it'll stop bending and cracking.
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Team Vision Racing (aka hypsy) wrote:Stop hitting @!#$ and it'll stop bending and cracking.
i tend to agree lol! although i wouldnt mind a cast aluminum deep pan myself....
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If there is any interest I can talk to a machinist that I know and see if he would be interested in CNC machining tranny pans with fins.
This would eliminate the need to plumb in a tranny cooler and he could probably also install a drain plug to make draining tranny fluid easier.
I am not sure on the cost, but I will see if he can't keep it under the $225 mark
Team Vision Racing (aka hypsy) wrote:Stop hitting @!#$ and it'll stop bending and cracking.
If u can drive in NYC with a 2in drop without scraping anything, more power to you.
when it comes to boobs i need a girl with bad grades cause im tired of all the ones walking around with straight a's
black S. Dime wrote:If there is any interest I can talk to a machinist that I know and see if he would be interested in CNC machining tranny pans with fins.
This would eliminate the need to plumb in a tranny cooler and he could probably also install a drain plug to make draining tranny fluid easier.
I am not sure on the cost, but I will see if he can't keep it under the $225 mark
I would very much be interested let me know.
when it comes to boobs i need a girl with bad grades cause im tired of all the ones walking around with straight a's
black S. Dime wrote:If there is any interest I can talk to a machinist that I know and see if he would be interested in CNC machining tranny pans with fins.
This would eliminate the need to plumb in a tranny cooler and he could probably also install a drain plug to make draining tranny fluid easier.
I am not sure on the cost, but I will see if he can't keep it under the $225 mark
A few "fins" on the pan is not going to have anywhere near the effect of a trans cooler. Please do not post things that are blatently false.
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Team Vision Racing (aka hypsy) wrote:
A few "fins" on the pan is not going to have anywhere near the effect of a trans cooler. Please do not post things that are blatently false.
I wouldn't say it is blatently false it is all a matter of perception, nor did I say anywhere that it would have the same cooling effictiveness as an external tranny cooler.
Apparently from the factory GM did not feel a "need" to install a tranny cooler on the 4T40 series transmissions.
Maybe I should clairify my self and state that, for your average daily driver/occasional strip car, it
could eliminate the need to plumb in a tranny cooler. It all depends on how much power and how hard you drive the car.
If you are Johnny race boy and have a 12 sec car then I wouldn't recommend just a finned pan, however if you have a slightly modded car that is mainly a street car/occasional track car, it might be a good alternative to a tranny cooler.
What a finned pan will do is:
Lower tranny temps (which legnthens clutch life)
Make fluid changes easier (drain plug in the pan)
Provide no chance of leaking, which makes it safer than a transmission cooler
The finned tranny pans have been working pretty well for the Grand Prix guys, and I would say that they have a bigger following than the j-body crowd.
I really need a better tranny pan than the stock one. so can someone please help me out!
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black S. Dime wrote:This would eliminate the need to plumb in a tranny cooler and he could probably also install a drain plug to make draining tranny fluid easier.
You said EXACTLY that the fins would get rid of the need for a trans cooler. That is 100% false. The best that would do is SLIGHTLY cool the fluid in the pan, but would do nothing for the fluid moving through the trans.
Oh and GM did include a trans cooler. It's built into the radiator. Glad you know what your talking about
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overall no pan no matter what its made out of is going to eliminating damge occuring, the only thing you can do is go slower over the rough areas and pray it helps if not noone made you lower your car and im sure you knew the roads whre you live were rough before you lowered it so its a choice you have to live with or not have a lowered car
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black S. Dime wrote:Apparently from the factory GM did not feel a "need" to install a tranny cooler on the 4T40 series transmissions.
Well....you've just proven that you can't even cover your own ass. You said they didn't install them on the 4T40 transmission, yet you want me to come prove to you it's there AND you say you have a 4T45. Which one is it? The 4T45 and 4T40 are two completely different transmissions. They are not in a family or series or whatever you wanna try and say. Your wrong. The 4T40 has 2 lines running into the radiator, one top and one bottom, which are used for the trans cooler. If your 4T45 doesn't have one, oh well. The Js don't and didn't have 4T45 transmissions....EVER. The 4T45 not having a transmission cooler doesn't effect the J people at all.
See I do know what I'm talking about....unlinke you.
Now then...Go get a car with a 4T40 transmission, the title, and a pen. I need a winter car. Heck I might even try and prove you wrong. I've always liked the GAs.
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Ok then how about a 99-05 Grand Am SE with a 3400 engine. All of the Grand Am SE's used the 4t40e and the GT's used a 4t45E. Neither have a tranny cooler built into the radiator.
Both the 4t40e and 4t45e use the same filter, tranny pan, and are very similar sharing many of the same parts. So I wouldn't call them two completely different transmissions. Hell I am pretty sure the casings are interchangable.
The 4T40E is used on the 2.4L cars... the 4T45E is used on the 3400's.
There better be a transmission fluid cooler... there should be two hard metal lines that go to the right side tank of the radiator. If you're missing those.. something's not quite right with your car
All automatic Grand Am's I've ever worked on had them...
all gm transmissions have coolers on them. the 4t40/45e is no exception. typicaly, most fwd cars dont need any more cooling that the tranny cooler core in the rad, even most small trucks dont go beyond this. this is usualy more than adaquit for stock and mildly modded cars. however, if you drive your car hard continualy, or have a seriously modded motor, an external tranny cooler (meaning not the core in the rad) is a nessesity. high hp will create more heat in the tranny. also with these conditions, fluid changes should be closer together.
the 4t40e and 4t45e are pretty much the same transmission. the 4t45e has improved geartrain to handle more power (like the v6 in the grand ams). im not sure what they changed (could be an extra friction in clutch packs, an added pinion on a planetary, hardened parts, ect). what i do know is that you can turn a 4t40e into a 4t45e by changing those parts. its just like the 4l60e and 4l65e, in that case, the only difference is a hardened sunshell and 5 pinion planetary.
back to the topic, finned pans dont cool. i recently installed an 8 quart deep pan with fins on a 98 dodge dualy with cumming deisel. laoded with a camper, the truck showed no temperature change (it had a trans temp gauge) between the stock 4 quart stamped pan and the finned aluminum 8 quart pan, the only difference was it took a few more minutes to get to operating temp, because the 4 extra quarts of oil it had.
i wouldnt put a cast aluminum pan on your tranny even if they did make one. there is a reason you are breaking pans. its a lot cheaper to change a pan than a tranny case, and with a cast pan, the force when you hit something is gonna go into the case, as most aluminum pans are thicker than the bottom section of the tranny case.
John Lenko wrote:The 4T40E is used on the 2.4L cars... the 4T45E is used on the 3400's.
There better be a transmission fluid cooler... there should be two hard metal lines that go to the right side tank of the radiator. If you're missing those.. something's not quite right with your car All automatic Grand Am's I've ever worked on had them...
OHHHHHHHH....And that ends that. I'll take my car now.
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sharkey wrote:all gm transmissions have coolers on them. the 4t40/45e is no exception. typicaly, most fwd cars dont need any more cooling that the tranny cooler core in the rad, even most small trucks dont go beyond this. this is usualy more than adaquit for stock and mildly modded cars. however, if you drive your car hard continualy, or have a seriously modded motor, an external tranny cooler (meaning not the core in the rad) is a nessesity. high hp will create more heat in the tranny. also with these conditions, fluid changes should be closer together.
the 4t40e and 4t45e are pretty much the same transmission. the 4t45e has improved geartrain to handle more power (like the v6 in the grand ams). im not sure what they changed (could be an extra friction in clutch packs, an added pinion on a planetary, hardened parts, ect). what i do know is that you can turn a 4t40e into a 4t45e by changing those parts. its just like the 4l60e and 4l65e, in that case, the only difference is a hardened sunshell and 5 pinion planetary.
back to the topic, finned pans dont cool. i recently installed an 8 quart deep pan with fins on a 98 dodge dualy with cumming deisel. laoded with a camper, the truck showed no temperature change (it had a trans temp gauge) between the stock 4 quart stamped pan and the finned aluminum 8 quart pan, the only difference was it took a few more minutes to get to operating temp, because the 4 extra quarts of oil it had.
i wouldnt put a cast aluminum pan on your tranny even if they did make one. there is a reason you are breaking pans. its a lot cheaper to change a pan than a tranny case, and with a cast pan, the force when you hit something is gonna go into the case, as most aluminum pans are thicker than the bottom section of the tranny case.
Kill shot #2. When can i expect my car? I needed a winter car and it looks like I got one.
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I can get some pics in a few hours for kill #3
oh....... your an ass Ryne
Can I at least borrow your *new* beater?
black S. Dime wrote:I will sign over the title when you point it out, because I know for a fact that there is not a trans cooler built into my radiator.
Time to give up the keys buddy........
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Oh and if I remember my law class right....that can be held as a legal contract.
He offered and I accepted.
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this is true....... I'm sure you could find a judge who would agree that this is a legal binding agreement......
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especially as he offered first untempted
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I know what I'll be asking my law teacher about next week
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