Why is it score one for the US? The musang has an extra liter of displacement and 100tq higher and was just a hair slower around a track and a hair faster down a track. Other then the massive price difference that comes along with owning a luxury sports car they are pretty much even.
You got A-holes position the M3 as if it is the best thing since slice bread. Then the Mustang doing just about equal results, all with less
"sophistication and technology" BS, at half the price. Lets see BMW do a $30K car with M3 performance. That's where USA scores.
LoL at luxury, the only luxury is the price.
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at least the bmw is not offered in such a ugly color....
I am impressed by the new mustang though, good performer for sure
God these mustangs are growing steadily on me....approaching lust at this point!
Heck yeah!!!
Nice post!
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mctoad wrote:Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.
Wow, people still quote that sh*t? It was cringe worthy in the theaters. Let alone
Nine years later.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:You got A-holes position the M3 as if it is the best thing since slice bread. Then the Mustang doing just about equal results, all with less "sophistication and technology" BS, at half the price. Lets see BMW do a $30K car with M3 performance. That's where USA scores.
LoL at luxury, the only luxury is the price.
Man has made a great point.
So that mean knock the Germans down a peg... why is it a US win for being equal to a BMW let down?
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:You got A-holes position the M3 as if it is the best thing since slice bread. Then the Mustang doing just about equal results, all with less "sophistication and technology" BS, at half the price. Lets see BMW do a $30K car with M3 performance. That's where USA scores.
LoL at luxury, the only luxury is the price.
I haven't personally been inside a new mustang. Unless they significantly changed the interior of it there lies the huge problem. One thing about the M3 is you feel like your in a sports car when you're going around a track. You cruise to your dinner date and you have a nice comfortable ride. Nice and luxurious. The same can not be said for the Mustang. Yes I know the reliability of the M3 is questionable, but I"m comparing the two kind of like top gear would.
Rabbit(AKA RedAssassin) wrote:Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:You got A-holes position the M3 as if it is the best thing since slice bread. Then the Mustang doing just about equal results, all with less "sophistication and technology" BS, at half the price. Lets see BMW do a $30K car with M3 performance. That's where USA scores.
LoL at luxury, the only luxury is the price.
I haven't personally been inside a new mustang. Unless they significantly changed the interior of it there lies the huge problem. One thing about the M3 is you feel like your in a sports car when you're going around a track. You cruise to your dinner date and you have a nice comfortable ride. Nice and luxurious. The same can not be said for the Mustang. Yes I know the reliability of the M3 is questionable, but I"m comparing the two kind of like top gear would.
I couldn't agree more. The comfort of a BMW while driving is undeniable. I'm not being biased either. I just had no idea until I finally drove a few. I was sold after that.
Its like driving a flying nimbus cloud at high-speeds you can't even feel. Imagine driving 80mph and it feels like your doing 50mph.
It is deniable, read like the 3 post, the only luxury is the price.... Which doesn't make sence, why would "over paying" be a luxury?
I didn't agree with that portion, but paying half the price for comparable perfomance from an American car is an accomplishment.
That's a compliment to both parties, one for setting a bar, and one for attempting to reach such.
Darkstars wrote:It is deniable, read like the 3 post, the only luxury is the price.... Which doesn't make sence, why would "over paying" be a luxury?
Your right, it wouldn't. I'd never pay top dollar for a new car ever again and I didn't with this one.
Personally I'd love either car, I wouldn't buy the BMW, I'd take the same performance with less refinement and still be able to buy another dd
I'll start by saying that I love both of those cars.
While I've never been in either, I did get to drive a 2011 GT500 for a few hours and it was fantastic. Also my buddies current tester is a 2011 BMW 335is coupe it that is fantastic as well.
However, I do see some holes in their testing....
The BMW is faster to 60mph then slower after that than the Mustang....now how coming out of the last corner they where dead tied, yet the BMW pulled nearly 10 feet on it to the finish line. Its not even that far of a distance.
Even weirder, look at the speed graph for the BMW, it actually accelerated out of the last corner and then slowed down and kept a constant speed across the line....wtf?
Not at all surprised when I clicked the link and found out it was a MotorTrend test.
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Definitely some funky @!#$ going on in that test.
It is impressive that Ford can run similar times for half the price....
However, run them side by side around 5 laps and I think the winner would be quite obvious.
I love american cars, and I love the Mustang....but lets face it....the M3 is BMW's equivalent of GM's Corvette.....they don't @!#$ around, thats a serious track car, much more serious than a Mustang.
Darkstars wrote:It is deniable, read like the 3 post, the only luxury is the price.... Which doesn't make sence, why would "over paying" be a luxury?
The price is the "luxury" not the actual car, or name plate. BMW wants to pass off their brand as luxury, trust me it is in the pamphlet that BMW gave us so when we advertise for them, we know what perception the markets wants to see them. But BMW is not. Wait... what? Well, when I went to Frankfurt last year, the taxi that I was in was the same one as Eternal's, just with cloth seats and a diesel. Now, IMO luxury name-plates are not used for taxis, police cars, garbage trucks, ambulance, school buses, etc like so many European name plates do. I mean it is like having Wrangler jeans found in K-mart here for $25 and going over to Europe and try to pass it off exotic and charge $300 for them there. Well, if that's how the Euro companies want to be portrayed, fine... because I get paid to market what they want, but I'm not fooled.
I mean we can get a ordinary commuter car, sprinkle real wood, plastiwood, replace cloth with leather or do what many do; vinyl with leather seating surfaces and pass it off as luxury. But if we use that rule of thumb, we can say the Hyundai Genesis, Hyundai Equus, Hyndai Azera, VW Phaeton, Buick Lucerne, Lincoln MKZ, etc. as luxury cars too.
Ford invited me at a press launch to drive back in 2005 the Mustang GT, and I got up to 130+mph in a Nascar track, and it was bank vault solid... like a brand-new (less than 100 miles) German 4-door sedan. I got to drive the 2010 in a press launch version on the same course up to 110+mph and it was even better. Mustang has some well manners, smooth, compliant, solid architecture... all in all, a refined feel that they have nothing to worry about feeling cheap.
When BMW invited me to a 3 series and later a M3 press launch, I felt the car was just as refined as cars costing the 3/4 the price. Solid, yes. Once inside, that's when cost cutting was apparent. We all know interiors are plastic, here the plastic looked like it came from a car costing $20K less then the MSRP. Don't get me started on the ergonomics. Overall I can say, that the interior was spartan. The drive was indeed fun all the way up to 120mph with the TT. But for reliability sake, I rather take the N/A I-6.
What Ford did was, (betting that this was not their intention) send a major F-U to Germany. Because when a Muscle car can do laps at neck and neck pace with Germany's (to some) finest Sports car. It deserves a hats off.
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Why it does it deserve a hats off after you typed a book telling how crappy the M3?
Fine, Go Ford! You managed to equal an unreliable, overhyped, overpriced, every day common commuter car with real wood accents and leather added, that's a huge achievement!
I would not say the the M3 is "crappy," just way overpriced for what it is.
Because this sports car was designed for the curves and with all the sophistication in the engine/suspension/chassis and nearly double price, is equal in a road course and looses (albeit a blink of an eye) by a muscle car. That's where "hats off" are in order for Ford and their engineering team.
This to me is similar when Js on here pulls a time similar or faster to a ZR1; major achievement, as ZR1s are made for performance. Js... well... you know.
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So a ZR1 is an overhyped overpriced waste to because you can make a J on here faster for 1/5 of the price?
Or does that comparison only apply when it sounds good for your argument?
Awesome! Score for the USA!
