1st off- I have used the "contact US" button in the past regarding this issue and never once got a reply when I was receiving warnings in past tries on my own FS posts.
I would personally like to know what the sites policy is on this issue, as it seems the rules are not the same for everyone. Apparently in the NE section we cannot list anything that can be shipped, and if we are not premium we cannot list more than ONE item at a time. I am completely fine with this and obied by these rules.
BUT I do not see it fair that these rules are not carried out fairly in the rest of the sites regional forums. We were told we have a classified section and ship-able items were to be listed there. Here are multiple threads with sellers selling ship-able items and not recieving the fair "warnings" or "bannings" which other members in the NE section have been dealt out. ( Bubba 2.0 for example)
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At least 2 out of those posters are not even site supporting premium members. All of us who pay our $20 a year and support the site are not being treated fair. I was not put up to this by Carmine since he got banned for his post with shipping items. He knows he broke a rule and accepts that. But myself and others feel there should at least be a common ground to all the regional forums, making posting of Ship-able items only allowed in the classified section, and sanctions dealt out to violators like the NE section.
Over the years I have contributed at least $100 in premium dues from being premium 4 out of the 5 yrs I have been on this forum and I feel that I should have a voice. We're all one big family in a way on this website, and its sad to have to see members depart because of un fair treatment due to favoritism or whatever else it may be.
That is all...
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Thought so... yet the warnings/bannings of NE section members carries on while every other regional forum violators get naadda.
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The reason is that the NE forums are one of the most trafficked forums, before all these rules were put in place the region was nothing but a selling frenzy, actual posts about meets and what not were off the front page in under a day. Those rules were put in place to help minimize this. I know its annoying and I myself would love to post my own for sale ads but cannot since they can be shipped.
acidburn wrote:The reason is that the NE forums are one of the most trafficked forums, before all these rules were put in place the region was nothing but a selling frenzy, actual posts about meets and what not were off the front page in under a day. Those rules were put in place to help minimize this. I know its annoying and I myself would love to post my own for sale ads but cannot since they can be shipped.
Starting from 2/15/2005 to present, in the span of 3 years Mid East 147 pages... NE 138pages.
Yet I do not argue the fact that there was A LOT of FS posts...point of the topic though is whats fair to one should be fair to all.
This is crazy.
I agree, FS post happen all the time in regional forums, why does bubba (a very good seller) have to be the one to have this happen to him?
Fine if you think its justified by saying its against the rules, but why haven't you banned everybody that posts a FS thread?
I think they are mad at bubba cause he gots a VW.
But seriously, I have seen this in the past, and dont like it either. I often times have lots of large items, and a few small ones I put in the regional forums. I have not gotten any warnings about the small "shipable" items I have in there. I think if a warning is issued to the poster of the thread, and they continue to list the "shipable" items, then more action should be taken.
I do not know the full circumstances of Bubba, but I would like to see more uniformity in enforcement throughout all the regional forums. I understand WHY they heavily enforce the NE forum, but I think thet can lay off a bit for now, and pick up the slack in a couple other forums.
And I have donated $50 to the site this year between premi member ship and GP listings.
All to a good cause though.
to all of you NE people: boo hoo!
your forum, from the beginning, was a complete mess. people would post a thread and then a few days later post an updated list in a new thread. this went on from a handful of people and your whole first page would be for sale ads, rolling anything else onto the second page in under a day.
yeah, we in the ME also have plenty of FS ads, but they have not been a problem to any one of us and we want to keep it that way. the only people who complain about our regional forum are....you guessed it....people from
your regional forum.
and as far as official rules, yes the site says what kardain posted above. but dave himself descended from on high and handed all of us a reprieve from that rule when he created the regionals and said that we were allowed to post FS items in them. it was after that point that your forum lost its privileges.
im all for giving you guys some leniency on your stringent selling rules, but dont try to come and @!#$ us over because you guys got your toys taken away. thats just childish bs and you know it.
i think someone needs to douche.
get the sand out
but I agree that previous users in our forum did ruin it for us. those people are mostly gone now, and the FS threads are NOT out of hand. But people getting baned, and posts deleted when they are not in abundance in one forum, but not others is unfair.
I frequent the ME forum, and buy things from there regularly. I dont think that your forum is overly crowded with FS posts, or that there is excessive use or reposts of them. I think the ME forum has a nice balance, and is about the same activity wise as the NE. Im just saying the rules should apply for everyone. I would definitely like to see the NE forum overseen in the same fashion the ME forum is.
I am also not saying that premi and otherwise donating members should be immune to the rules, but things like that should be taken into consideration before swingin the ban-hammer over something as petty as selling shipable items in your regional forum.
yes, i agree....some people do need to get the sand out about this problem. thats not the ME members, though.
im down for your forum to become relaxed to the point of the others. but NOT the other way around. remember--dave allows us to post FS items in the regionals (one of the biggest reasons they were created) and you guys had your rights taken away because of the stupidity of the members who came before you. but for you guys to try and stir up trouble for the rest of us just because you cant get your way is, again, childish.
its must really suck to have such a boring life that you complain about your threads getting deleted/locked. who cares, its the interweb. go make a for sale ad in your local paper.
not that there's anything wrong with that...i'm just sayin'
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The Redneck wrote:its must really suck to have such a boring life that you complain about your threads getting deleted/locked. who cares, its the interweb. go make a for sale ad in your local paper.
The local paper doesn't have the target market that JBO does. I could put an ad in my local paper for my supercharger for 5 years and I guarantee I wouldn't get a single call.
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jbo has classifieds too...granted, they need work. but you wouldn't get a ban for using them.
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(tabs) wrote:... and you guys had your rights taken away because of the stupidity of the members who came before you. but for you guys to try and stir up trouble for the rest of us just because you cant get your way is, again, childish.
Childish.... really now? . Were the Civil Rights movement a childish act for people stepping up and asking to be treated like everyone else?
How is it fair to us, if prior members were the culprits and not us? 1/2 of those members don't even visit the site anymore and yet we are still paying for their mistakes and abuse.... Thats not justifiably fair by any means.
Just because they went and @!#$ that up for us, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else who lives in the NE region should be treated like complete @!#$ for someone else's errors, when others on this website are allowed to have for sale posts.
I don't even have a for sale post going and I'm stepping up for something that is just not even right. I love this site, but honestly @!#$ like this needs to get straightened out and people need to start living up to the original rules posted on this site...
Either no Classified at all in the regional forums, or rectify the old ones and make them the same for all forums..... is that soo much to ask for as having supported this site with 4 yrs of premium membership and 2 group purchases?
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Cody@RDFabs.com wrote:(tabs) wrote:... and you guys had your rights taken away because of the stupidity of the members who came before you. but for you guys to try and stir up trouble for the rest of us just because you cant get your way is, again, childish.
Once again I digress... how is it fair to us, if prior members were the culprits and not us?
ITS NOT!
You're right, we need to create a system of rules that apply individually to each person, and not based on real experience of a group of people. I'll see if I can draw that up, but it'll take me some time to go through all 35,000 (edit: 42,000) members.
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Shifted wrote:Cody@RDFabs.com wrote:(tabs) wrote:... and you guys had your rights taken away because of the stupidity of the members who came before you. but for you guys to try and stir up trouble for the rest of us just because you cant get your way is, again, childish.
Once again I digress... how is it fair to us, if prior members were the culprits and not us?
ITS NOT!
You're right, we need to create a system of rules that apply individually to each person, and not based on real experience of a group of people. I'll see if I can draw that up, but it'll take me some time to go through all 35,000 (edit: 42,000) members.
I re-edited my post since I was to hasty and jump to a conclusion before properly thinking it all out
How about this be a ratification to the entire websites rule on posting for sale ads in the classified section:
Premium members are allowed to have ONLY 1 for sale post every 3 months ( Maximum of 4 per year) in the regional section. Before a post can be made, the poster must contact the forum moderator prior to posting the ad to make sure they haven't not violated these terms. If a violation is to occur, sanctions will be dealt out with in a manner justifying the situation and severity of the violation. These for sale ads may include shippable items and larger pick up only items.
NON-Forum supporting members are allowed only 1 post every 6 months under the same terms and conditions which apply to the premium members. The post may be updated with what has been sold and if the seller wishes to add any other items to his/hers for sale post it is permissible. NO NEW thread will be allowed to be created other than the one allowed during the 3 month time frame allowed. If poster's thread has run for its 3 month/6month time slot/ and or all items have been sold, poster needs to contact forum moderator and thread is to be closed/Locked or deleted. At this time, if the 3 months/6 months has passed, a new For sale thread may be created after the forum moderator has been notified.
Or what about a seperate section under the regional forums with a classified only section?
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Or what about a seperate section under the regional forums with a classified only section?
Dave is working on adding a regional feature to the classifieds. As soon as he does this, posting classifieds in the regionals will once again be completely against the rules.
Problem with your plan above is how do we enforce that? All the moderators do this in their spare time, so now when somebody wants to post an ad, we have to go to that forum, look up all the posts that person has made, look for the classifieds, count them, cross reference with the premium/non-premium matrix you have there, and decide whether or not to "let" that person post (mod's have no way to "approve" a post, just to delete it once its made). On top of that, we now have to set up some kind of communication between the mods (there is one, but its not used much) so we have to find out who has asked who what and when. Its just a logistical nightmare regardless of it being a good plan in theory. Dave's modifications to the classifieds will fix this, but for now you will just have to live with the way it is.
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Cody@RDFabs.com wrote:(tabs) wrote:... and you guys had your rights taken away because of the stupidity of the members who came before you. but for you guys to try and stir up trouble for the rest of us just because you cant get your way is, again, childish.
Childish.... really now? . Were the Civil Rights movement a childish act for people stepping up and asking to be treated like everyone else?
omfg tell me you didnt just compare posting a for sale ad in the regionals to universal human rights????
Cody@RDFabs.com wrote:
How is it fair to us, if prior members were the culprits and not us? 1/2 of those members don't even visit the site anymore and yet we are still paying for their mistakes and abuse.... Thats not justifiably fair by any means.
Just because they went and @!#$ that up for us, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else who lives in the NE region should be treated like complete @!#$ for someone else's errors, when others on this website are allowed to have for sale posts.
like i said, go ahead and relax the controls on your region. im fine with that. but theres no need to @!#$ it up for the other 13 regions just to suit you guys. again, its not like your region was specifically disallowed this from the beginning. they were given a privilege and, due to misuse and constant abuse, had those rights taken away. thats no ones fault but the people in that region. and yeah, most of them are probably gone. but again, thats not everyone elses problem.
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Just make "Classified" Subsections in all the Regional Sections. Mods then only delete, ban, blah blah blah when something is completely against the rules.
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(tabs) wrote:omfg tell me you didnt just compare posting a for sale ad in the regionals to universal human rights????
I could have listed a slew of other ones representing the same foundations for my argument. But i don't feel we need to get into all that ben. You know what i'm trying to get at. I'm not going to clash ideas,complex theories and methods over this stupid thing.
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Or what about a seperate section under the regional forums with a classified only section?
Dave is working on adding a regional feature to the classifieds. As soon as he does this, posting classifieds in the regionals will once again be completely against the rules.
That is all I needed to hear. I didn't exactly know how many moderators are on this forum anyways...
i personally not a fan of the classifieds for the reason being of all the theft. atleast in the forums you have others keeping an eye out for others. also if you notice most of people posting stuff for sale in the regional forum are people that frequent other sections of the forums rather than just selling stuff. i also pick up alot of stuff including shipable items rather than having them shipped for piece of mind that it is what i want. so don't ruin it for all since you region is the one with the problem.. wait...... i think that last sentance sounded just like you. complaining about someone ruining it for everyone. wow. irony.
the NE regional "rules" were put in place nearly 3 years ago. at the time, the NE region was the only one that had a problem with fs posts taking over. yes, with the platform being discontinued and people moving on from the scene left and right, there have been a massive increase in FS posts in other regional forums over the last couple years. those forums, however, havn't seemed to complain about it like the members of the NE region prior to the rule update. if no one complains, it would seem that there's no need to restrict the selling priviledges in those forums.
as for the people who created the mess we have to deal with now that have moved on... im sure everyone here knows about how a few people ruin something for everyone else. hell, we are a community of car modders. because of the antics of a few people, there are laws being enforced on those of us who weren't doing anything wrong. that's life. we all have to follow the rules that were created because other people forced those rules into effect.
JimmyZ was the mod who enacted the rules in the NE forum, because he frequented that forum a lot. he has since moved on, and we havn't "hired" a new mod to watch over that region. that's the reason for some posts to go without warnings/bans. if you get caught, that's just bum luck on your part. posts like this whining about how other people havn't been given warnings or bans (which you don't even know without talking to that person) are just childish. as it stands, this thread is complaining about a mod's decision, which is clearly a violation of rule 19. if you hadn't dragged other members into this inquiry about the NE region selling policy, that wouldn't be the case. if the "contact us" link doesn't get you results, there are plenty of moderators you could have asked rather than air your dirty laundry publicly, and drag other people into your problems.
