What would yall go with bigger injectors or port fueler? Whats the ups and down with both of them?
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depends on how your tuning your bigger injectors
Well assuming you're boosted from your profile...
Port Fueler:
-silly expensive (I just ordered one, it makes the wallet cry)
-best fuel solution we will ever have, stock driveability while having the ability to tune all the way to high amounts of boost
Bigger Injectors
-cheaper but need tuning by some method (not user friendly for our cars)
-will never run as nicely as stock did, regardless of what people say
Neither tune spark, so you will need something to deal with that as well. That's about how it stacks up.
What more would you like to know?
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Thanks for the feedback. Can you use a fabed up intake manifold or just the one HRC has.
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Dave Dunsmoor wrote:
Bigger Injectors
-cheaper but need tuning by some method (not user friendly for our cars)
-will never run as nicely as stock did, regardless of what people say
Yes they will, you need to properly tune "on/off walls" of fuel for the tuning to actually work properly and YES THEY WILL idle and drive just like stock. I have 1000cc injectors running just fine.
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Mike wrote: Can you use a fabed up intake manifold for the port fueler or just the one HRC has.
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Mike wrote:Mike wrote: Can you use a fabed up intake manifold for the port fueler or just the one HRC has.
As long as the intake can support the fuel rail and the injectors are all seated properly. You need your intake manifold such that the injectors are mounted something like the picture below.
You could also use it like they do on the neons, which uses a spacer between intake manifold and the block, and the injectors spray down. The stock manifold could likely be used here if you really wanted. You'd have to make the spacer of course, but it's likely easier than the entire manifold.
And Josh, I can respect that you think that - but in my experience the car can run
well, it doesn't run like stock.
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Having the port fueler is very nice to have. Because the car runs like stock which makes it easier for town driving. But the only thing is with the port fueler is that you kinda dont have a rev limiter anymore. So say you use HPtuners and set your stock revlimit to 7000rpm like mine. Your stock computer will cut fuel at 7000rpm but the port fueler feeds fuel to 8000rpm.
Dave Dunsmoor wrote:
You could also use it like they do on the neons, which uses a spacer between intake manifold and the block, and the injectors spray down. The stock manifold could likely be used here if you really wanted. You'd have to make the spacer of course, but it's likely easier than the entire manifold.
You don't want the fuel to spray straight down onto the runner....not good.....don't do it, you will always be fighting the fueling as the walls will be coated in fuel constantly, you need a 23 degree angle off of parallel in the direction of the flow of air.
Dave Dunsmoor wrote:
And Josh, I can respect that you think that - but in my experience the car can run well, it doesn't run like stock.
OK...........I dont know what to tell you but my car runs just as good as it did stock.....I have the real-time datalogs to prove it. I've matched my AFR at idle as the first thing i did with my MS while running my 1000cc injectors. So.............
So you tuned your 1000cc injectors with your ms. The ms is a standalone not the stock computer.Right?
I have tuned and driven on 1000cc injectors on my stock PCM with nothing but the injector constant 95% correct.
Car ran great, and just like stock. Would it pass emissions? Not sure never tried.
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Adding nothing productive to the conversation but throwing in a random sales pitch FTW
Personally of the 2 choices I would take the portfueler over just bigger injectors. It comes premapped for the turbos they sell which is a plus if your using their kit, plus you getting a log style sheet metal intake with it. It's a very good way to add fuel, there really isn't any disadvantage to the portfueler except the price. But then again for the price your getting a sheet metal manifold, sensor, injectors, fuel rail, computer, lines and fittings to plumb it, etc..
Darkstars wrote:Adding nothing productive to the conversation but throwing in a random sales pitch FTW
Personally of the 2 choices I would take the portfueler over just bigger injectors. It comes premapped for the turbos they sell which is a plus if your using their kit, plus you getting a log style sheet metal intake with it. It's a very good way to add fuel, there really isn't any disadvantage to the portfueler except the price. But then again for the price your getting a sheet metal manifold, sensor, injectors, fuel rail, computer, lines and fittings to plumb it, etc..
LOL hey the Hahn manifold photo was linked to TTR
At anyrate, I would agree Darkstars, it is a bit of $, but for everything you get it is a great deal. It is a complete kit that will work with no modifications. Hahn did a great job on this setup.
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Darkstars wrote:Adding nothing productive to the conversation but throwing in a random sales pitch FTW
Personally of the 2 choices I would take the portfueler over just bigger injectors. It comes premapped for the turbos they sell which is a plus if your using their kit, plus you getting a log style sheet metal intake with it. It's a very good way to add fuel, there really isn't any disadvantage to the portfueler except the price. But then again for the price your getting a sheet metal manifold, sensor, injectors, fuel rail, computer, lines and fittings to plumb it, etc..
^I agree with that. I just hate mis-information about larger injectors, it's VERY possible to add the fuel required with the use of a single set of larger injectors. But even for the price, when it comes "pre-tuned" for the setup.....its hard to beat that. I know the fine-tuning would still need to be done but just the easy of use "out of the box" has some value aswell.
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Joshua Dearman wrote:Dave Dunsmoor wrote:
You could also use it like they do on the neons, which uses a spacer between intake manifold and the block, and the injectors spray down. The stock manifold could likely be used here if you really wanted. You'd have to make the spacer of course, but it's likely easier than the entire manifold.
You don't want the fuel to spray straight down onto the runner....not good.....don't do it, you will always be fighting the fueling as the walls will be coated in fuel constantly, you need a 23 degree angle off of parallel in the direction of the flow of air.
Agreed it is not ideal, I was just saying its an option. A lot of neons use it so I figured I'd suggest it if he only wanted the port fueler option itself and to make an easy way of implementing it.
Joshua Dearman wrote:Dave Dunsmoor wrote:
And Josh, I can respect that you think that - but in my experience the car can run well, it doesn't run like stock.
OK...........I dont know what to tell you but my car runs just as good as it did stock.....I have the real-time datalogs to prove it. I've matched my AFR at idle as the first thing i did with my MS while running my 1000cc injectors. So.............
Yes I'm sorry I guess I didn't make a very strong point - I was assuming tuning with HPTuners alone, my bad. With a standalone, or even adding an SAFC on top of HPTuners you could acheive stock performance from the car (or at least better than what I have been able to achieve with HPT). I would venture a guess that not too many people are really looking to install a MS setup on their car, but that was an assumption on my part.
In any case, I think its a great way to tune, hence why I ordered it. PS order it through TTR if you're considering it, they bent over backwards for me
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Dave Dunsmoor wrote:
In any case, I think its a great way to tune, hence why I ordered it. PS order it through TTR if you're considering it, they bent over backwards for me
Thanks for the referal.
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i want to make 400hp+. what size injectors would yall use, hptuner would not work to good with that or port fueler would be better for my IQ and motor/hptune?
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If you get the port fueler you will still need to use HPtuners.
Mike wrote:i want to make 400hp+. what size injectors would yall use, hptuner would not work to good with that or would port fueler be better for my IQ and motor/hptune?
285whpcavy wrote:If you get the port fueler you will still need to use HPtuners.
Thanks but I know that much.
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