which ones better to use?
What are you planning on doing to the motor?
sUiCiDe wrote:What are you planning on doing to the motor?
well i have the secret cams, H.O. intake and a header with full exhaust. its gettin a turbo kit sometime when the moneys right!
i do have question can i put the H.O. cam housings on the 2.4 to get the H.O. cams to work?
LO for NA applications..HO intake for boost app only...and if you use 2.3 housings on a 2.4 you will need the 2.3 lifters as well and you not have power steering...you need to start doing some research
Cool! i have both intakes. what if i use the H.O. head, cam housings, cams and power steering? will it work?
Theres no such thing as "H.O. head"...what your looking for is the 086 head. The head needs to be modded to fit the 2.4L block. Check my post on the media for pics.
H.O. cams can be used but if you go with the 086 head you will need valve reliefs on the pistons.
Then go with the power steering or get with brad and he can have your intake cam, and 2.4 cam housings modded so you can use the 2.4 power steering.
THEN go with the H.O. intake manifold and TUNE.
If you need any help or Quad parts pm me.
GMR has got nothing on this
why cant i use the H.O. cam towers and power steering?
maxZ24 wrote:why cant i use the H.O. cam towers and power steering?
If you use the 086 head on a 2.4 there isnt enough valve to piston clearance. The valve physically sits lower in the head in a 2.3. But if you have valve reliefs cut into the pistons then you can. You can use the 2.3 towers, lifters, and powersteering on a 2.4.
use the HO mani and be a man. the HO mani works just fine for N/A, im running it and id feel my car is doing just fine.
i understand now about the H.O. cams. thanks yal. and yeah i'm going with H.O. mani since it is bigger and the car it came off of wasn't boosted so i don't see why my cavi would need to be boosted for the H.O. mani. which TB should i use the 2.3 or 2.4?
heres something off topic. my z24 is a 98 with the egr crap. if i remove the crap would it be fine to reflash my computer to a 00 even though the 00 had the high independent injectors and 9.7:1 compression to eliminate the egr code?
i dont have the funds to get it tuned! yet!
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use the HO mani and be a man. the HO mani works just fine for N/A, im running it and id feel my car is doing just fine.
you say your "feels" fine...while the rest of us have actually DYNOED or TRACK proven otherwise
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and yeah i'm going with H.O. mani since it is bigger and the car it came off of wasn't boosted so i don't see why my cavi would need to be boosted for the H.O. mani.
looks like you still have alittle research to do then...the car it came off of was NA yes, but it also reved higher,had a different power band, and flowed air differently. a member on here DYNO proved his car made LESS power with HO manifold. might wanna give that thread a read.
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use the HO mani and be a man. the HO mani works just fine for N/A, im running it and id feel my car is doing just fine.
you say your "feels" fine...while the rest of us have actually DYNOED or TRACK proven otherwise
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and yeah i'm going with H.O. mani since it is bigger and the car it came off of wasn't boosted so i don't see why my cavi would need to be boosted for the H.O. mani.
looks like you still have alittle research to do then...the car it came off of was NA yes, but it also reved higher,had a different power band, and flowed air differently. a member on here DYNO proved his car made LESS power with HO manifold. might wanna give that thread a read.
um i am the track proven!! look at my slips man, ur built and im right behind you... dont act like i dont know what im talkin about, it was also dynoed on a car with stock exhaust manifold.. wtf.. why would you even waste the dyno money and time when u still have a stock exhaust mani like he did.
i didnt mean my "feels" fine, i KNOW it is. 14.7 with my first time at a track ever aint to shabby now is it, now with the W41 cams i have in the motor i am hoping to be creeping even closer to ur times. just have to make it to the track.
check who ur talkin to before you assume they dont know whats up
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check who ur talkin to before you assume they dont know whats up
OK..first of all..i apologize, i really didnt check to see who made the post lol im at work and sigs dont show up on this pc, im not used to looking at screen names, just recognizing sigs haha
second , your engine is pretty built itself
but have you tried running it or dyno it with the lo mani instead??
yeah im new to all this making a cavalier fast. my goal is to install the secret cams a header and the HO intake mani to begin with. will there be gains without tuning? when the money gets right im lowering compression to 8.9:1 and turboing the terd. i dont wanna waste the money tuning it before its boosted.
maxZ24 wrote:yeah im new to all this making a cavalier fast. my goal is to install the secret cams a header and the HO intake mani to begin with. will there be gains without tuning? when the money gets right im lowering compression to 8.9:1 and turboing the terd. i dont wanna waste the money tuning it before its boosted.
You can still buy HPTuners and tune it now. Plus, you'll gain experience in tuning the car way before you actually get that turbo on the car.
Trust me, you won't want to try to tune your car without any previous experience in using HPTuners because you'll be spending alot of time trying to get it right whereas if you have HPT now, you could be that much more understanding of the HPT, and how it works.
But get the H.O. manifold and add it to your car now if you choose. It really won't matter much because you'll have a good manifold for when you do go forced induction.
You're on the right track so keep it up and keep up researching man.
Good luck.
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Thank you Dave and JBO! 
scott (section8cav) wrote:Quote:
check who ur talkin to before you assume they dont know whats up
OK..first of all..i apologize, i really didnt check to see who made the post lol im at work and sigs dont show up on this pc, im not used to looking at screen names, just recognizing sigs haha
second , your engine is pretty built itself but have you tried running it or dyno it with the lo mani instead??
haha i was just messing with you too that wasnt supposed to come off mean if anyone read it that way
and nowadays the engine is gettin there but when i went to the track all i had was the HO mani, secret cams, and exhaust as for the motor.
my take on the whole situation is you gotta look at the overall flow of the system, if you have the exhaust to back up the system you will be fine with the HO (when the HO mani was dynoed the exhaust was a huge restriction.) if you look at the changes between the 2.3 LO and 2.3 HO, 150hp vs. 180hp respectively, you will notice they increased the flow of air using the HO intake mani and bigger cams (tuning as well to compensate.) Now the big issue with the 2.4 is that crappy exhaust manifold, if your not going to change that than i wouldnt even bother with changing the stock 2.4 intake mani to the 2.3 LO or HO, there is no point.
im sorry i dont have the money at the moment to back up anything with dyno runs and all that time, i did have a LO mani sitting around awhile back but out of theory and respect to what gm did to the 2.3 motor to increase power i decided it would be smart to follow suit and run the HO one. granted our 2.4 head doesnt flow as much i still like how my car has performed at the track with the lack of skill i have at racing. its track season here soon so watch out
Misnblu wrote:maxZ24 wrote:yeah im new to all this making a cavalier fast. my goal is to install the secret cams a header and the HO intake mani to begin with. will there be gains without tuning? when the money gets right im lowering compression to 8.9:1 and turboing the terd. i dont wanna waste the money tuning it before its boosted.
You can still buy HPTuners and tune it now. Plus, you'll gain experience in tuning the car way before you actually get that turbo on the car.
Trust me, you won't want to try to tune your car without any previous experience in using HPTuners because you'll be spending alot of time trying to get it right whereas if you have HPT now, you could be that much more understanding of the HPT, and how it works.
But get the H.O. manifold and add it to your car now if you choose. It really won't matter much because you'll have a good manifold for when you do go forced induction.
You're on the right track so keep it up and keep up researching man.
Good luck.
thanks for the luck man! i really do want hptuner other than someone else tuning it. i was working at a gm dealer for awhile but had got in some trouble and lost my license. i have everything to do this beside the header which i purchase off ebay 2 months ago. they told me id be late April until they recieve it from manufacturer. this has really pissed me off because i'd have everything installed by now and be drivin a lil faster! i got the adapter flange from vulcan turbo. the H.O. intake from the yunkyard(which the whole HO motor is still there!) if anyones interested!! and the secret cams from this one guy. and since i cant drive i've sanded the car(because of GM's paint job) and has gotten it readt for paint!
I have to say something about that "dyno" session with the HO vs. stock mani thread,we all know there were variances with what he did during said session but anywho HO or LO makes a good manifold to direct port!!!Just ask Skillz
15.2@89mph 2.171 60ft. 9.830 1/8 R.I.P. "LULU"
I wish that would of been done properly, and Gary I will be running for your times this year since I have done work, Im sure u can make a guess on the old times, but then again Havent ran much after the "important upgrades " lol, and I just realised I need a new sig, that one is OLD
"As I lay rubber down the street, I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God protect my ride." -Amen
I know on my motor the stock mani works better. But I don't have cams or any motor work, that could be the deciding factor on the manifold debate.
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Shawn probably works better cause made for the car, but the L.O. and the H.O. mainly adjusts the power range
"As I lay rubber down the street, I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God protect my ride." -Amen
what do i do with the pcv hole? the flange i have doesn't cover the hole.
