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cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:22 PM
does anyone know what the actual cylinder head volume is for the 2.2 and 2200 just tryign ti fugre some stuff out online to make more power. i dont have a cc tube and i need to check my .120 shaved head as well

Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:42 PM
i also measured the 97 and older and 98 and newer pistons today and the pin height is .202 lower in the 98 and newer further increasing compression ratio
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:15 PM
Not sure what volume you want. Here's what I posted for numbers for the 93-97 engine.:

Stock head = 35cc chambers
My head = 28cc chambers
Calculated cylinder volume (minus chamber) for 94-96 stock engine = 274.75 cc based on 8.875 comp ratio
Calculated compression ratio if I bolted my head on a stock engine: 10.8:1

Stock intake port volume: 167cc
Stock exhaust port volume: 67cc

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=427943&t=335594&p=1

-->Slow
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:22 PM
how much is taken off of your head slow?
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:28 PM
I tried looking up the volume numbers in the version of _____ that I have it was not there.



Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:34 PM
i have figured out that the 2.2 pistons had 22cc of dish and hte 2200 pistons only have 6cc of dish

working with some engine calculators how do i figure in the .020 of height difference with the 2200 piston? would i take cc's off of the combustion chamber to compensate?
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:36 PM
Bob, not sure anymore, but it's a "bunch." I scanned the thread I linked to but I didn't see anything there. I seem to remember having a discussion about just how much we could get away with going beyond the recommended minimum.

mitdr774, I don't have those numbers in my version of _____ either.

-->Slow
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:45 PM
i am working on some hard numbers now and will back this all up when we get the motor done. putting the crank and bearings and cam in tomorrow. dont have the pistons yet but when i get them they will be tossed in. taking the head to the shop tomorrow with my OS SS valves
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:47 PM
Pistons.... I seem to remember you saying you ran larger pins in a set of customs. Why was that? Have you had problems with stock diameter pins?

-->Slow
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:09 PM
no it is just that ross racing pistons only has a pin with a diamter of .830 floating while the stock pin is .804 pressed. not my choice just what we had to do. i am going to berunning the stock rods and 2200 pistons in this motor. just trying to figure out the .020 of pin height difference in the pistons ill get some pics tomorrow. maybe the head guy will cc my race head tomorrow
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 4:33 AM
If you use a Chev 230/250 rod you have some wiggle room at the small end. With a stock pin dia .804 and rod ID at .927 you can install a bushing and offset the bore.

-->Slow

Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 5:55 AM
i will get some pics today and start getting stuff in gear
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 4:12 PM
I knew the 98+ dish was much less than half the 97-
IIRC, the stock 2200 chamber I measured was about 60cc.

If the 2200 pin is .020" lower (and I definitely believe it is since my pistons are about .010" out of the hole), what did they do with the extra .020" up top? My ring lands are REALLY low, but they are aftermarket pistons, so I wasn't sure if that is normal?

Stock 2200 quench is then .020" less than the 97-, that's a considerable difference. I think it might be time to stop suggesting 2200 owners shave the block




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 5:05 PM
i agree. that .020 is going to make more of a difference that teh lack of dish

the cc on a 98< is 6cc
the cc on a 97> is 22cc

on a quick calculation the compression will be 11.5-12.0:1 on a fully stock motor

i forgot my camera today ill get pics on the calipers and everything with it all
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 5:35 PM
can that high of a compression be run with 93 octane gas, or do you need higher octane fuel? i mean, isn't the new 370 around 11.1:1 and only needs 91 octane...i know a lot is involved though, like metals engine is made of, and other great stuff...
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 7:15 PM
11:1 can be run on 93 although it requires a super high level of fuel adn timing management and engine tuning... we run 110 octane in our cars safe up to 16:1 CR
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 7:39 PM
...i wish we had 110 at the pump, lol.
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 7:53 PM
it is only at teh race track, if you have seen our threads we dont drive our cavaliers on the street (well sometimes we do but we dont let eh cops see us)
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Monday, April 06, 2009 8:01 PM
^^hahaha
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:25 PM
this is a pic from the motor we exploded last year, looking closer and through the blur teh piston do 'pop up'

Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:07 PM
Dave De Stefano wrote:...i wish we had 110 at the pump, lol.
Build for E85... You'll never worry about octane again. Or losing, for that matter either!


Go beyond the "bolt-on".

Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:19 PM
no e85 fueling stations around here that i know of...i'm in north east pa...guess we're not green
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:55 PM
Dave De Stefano wrote:no e85 fueling stations around here that i know of...i'm in north east pa...guess we're not green
Try this.




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:14 PM
hmmm...the closest one is in allentown i think...about 45 miles from me......for now, i'll worry about octane, and once i'm done with school, and move, i might rebuild for some e85 use...would really like to use i though...could i also use gas in a car equipped for e85 if i just used additives, like if i couldn't get to the station in time?
Re: cylinder head volume for ln2
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:12 PM
e85 is octane haha 107 out of the pump. our 110 race fuel costs $8.50 a gallon, i am contemplating e85 in teh race cars
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