Ok Guys I am going to attempt the Cobalt SS S/C swap.. Iknow I know everyone says it's not going to work, Well if not we are not out anything. The guy that owns the Cobalt got a 95 cavi 4dr wed at no cost so we have 2 complete cars and time. We are taking EVERYTHING I mean everything out basically we are going to have a cavalier shell to work with, I get tilt steering and a new headliner fo my car . I will taking pictures throughout this process to keep everyone informed. We know of the work thats going to be involved, when completed we should have a pretty quick cavi 4dr. it's already been lowered and a Bomex kit ( which is coming off) on it.
Ok Feel free to beat us up over this...LOL the way I see it if a NorthSter V8 can make it in one or 3800 , We can do this too! I may be looking to some of you guys for some advice so please help us out . Thanks
will be interesting to see how you wire up everything and house the cobalt gauges/electrical. and then the axles...
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Well we are going to attempt to install everything from the Cobalt, I gotta check the axles though If I can get away with using the inners on the Cavi axles we will do that providing we can mate the splines, the accesories Eg. power windows, locks, lighting, ect we are going to cheat on that a bit or attempt to, I'm waiting on a schematic for the Cobalt Wiring from a friend at a GM Dealership here. I will keep everyone posted. Thanks
You are a fool!
FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
Got 2 junkers and something to do. this isn't going to happen overnight or a week I'm determined to see if it can be done and work. like I said if it don't the no big deal no loss just some time. And to say someones a fool ?Come on man that's not what this organization is about. I may be one of the new ones here but i feel like this site was developed to help people not to put anyone down, if I'm wasting my time then that just what it is my time not anyone elses. I have a perfectly good running engine and tranny with less than 16,000 miles on it in a demolished car why not try to utilize it? if I can't make it happen it will be sold simple as that and a free cavalier it's all worth a shot, what about all the guys who have done the 2.2 Eco swap were they fools too? I personally am going to do the 3400 swap into my car. This one is just what it is; a project with no time frame.
Do it, the worst that could happen is you have traded some of your time for experience- what more could you ask for anyway?
All i ask is that as you are working on it keep in mind not to take short cuts and cheap out- otherwise if you do succeed you will have a death trap- other than that, have fun!
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Now with northstar V8, IRS, 20's n 22's
Oh No safety is first and foremost with anything I do I work on Aerial boom equipment everyday so I know that taking short-cuts is jeopardizing lives. that only thing we are going to short cut on is the windows and maybe the lighting I won't know about that until we get into it, I hoping we can utilize the stock suspension, the only thing I am unsure of at this time is the braking and How we are going to incorporate the ABS systems there is 10 years difference there. but I grant you the car will not see any pavement until that is done! Thanks for the extra Vote there
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Do it, the worst that could happen is you have traded some of your time for experience- what more could you ask for anyway?
All i ask is that as you are working on it keep in mind not to take short cuts and cheap out- otherwise if you do succeed you will have a death trap- other than that, have fun!
Ok I guess we are going to start tearing out the Cavi tomorrow, I'm still waiting on my wireing schematic for the cobalt. I'm not exactly positive about the ABS system yet there is a 10 year gap between the two cars, worst case senerio I may can go back to the old style braking system (pre ABS) thats another thought. If anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears. But telling me I'm wasting my time or give it up isn't the option until I know this can't be done. Thanks for any advice guys.
Moose
Why not just buy a L61 ecotec motor, and chassis/engine wiring harness... shouldn't cost too much as there are lots in the boneyards....swap the engine, and then swap the wiring of the 95 to the 03+, then swap the SC parts onto the 2.2? Then sell the 2.0 engine to try and recoup some of the costs.
Don't buy from MANTAPART!!
There is no easy ways to get HP, no magic box or gizmo... And if you get more hp, there's no way to make your car still behave and sound like a stock one. More hp usually makes your car louder, more vibrations and harder to drive...but still people hope or think maby there's some magic way to have it all, comfort, stock sound and drive.
FastFireTwoTwo wrote:Why not just buy a L61 ecotec motor, and chassis/engine wiring harness... shouldn't cost too much as there are lots in the boneyards....swap the engine, and then swap the wiring of the 95 to the 03+, then swap the SC parts onto the 2.2? Then sell the 2.0 engine to try and recoup some of the costs.
Well in the performance mind using a SS/SC motor ECU will be better. You would have MAF for tuning with HPT and it is better.
I have always felt this swap is possible. Maybe with a cobalt tranny, or maybe with a Jbody tranny.
FU Tuning
John we have EVERYTHING! a complete Cobalt SS/SC Car with less than 16thousand miles on it, Badly totaled. I know I can swap in a 2.2 Eco but I want to accomplish outside the box or Norm. Like the Guy with the North Star V-8, He went beyond the relm, I am stepping there too! This car is going to have the heart and brains of a Cobalt and the body of a Cavi, Our Frakenstein I guess you would call it.LOL I will post pics when we begin and Log in detail everything that we did Start to Turn key Maybe a video at the end not sure yet.
im sorry, i fail to see the point here.....
i realize you wanna be the first and do something "different" .. i get that part. but i just dont see the point of the engine you picked...you mentioned the northstar and the 3800..those were both engines that were "argueably " better than any engine we had in our cars...
but the lsj ??? i mean...........youll go thru alllll the hard work and $$$ getting that engine to work in a Jbody.....and not be making any more power than you would have if you had dropped in the L61 and bolted on a sc.....(which i might add would be MUCH cheaper and easier)..and for what? just so you can say you were the first ?
^^^ y not, bragging rights are fun, lol
horsepower is the force that determines at what speed you hit the wall, torque is the force that determines how far you take the wall with you after you hit it.
Minor differences in the LSJ might make it worth it to some people, like rods and pistons that can take more than 300 hp, better cylinder head, like said above MAF based ecu tuning. If you can get it to work, mad props.
scott (section8cav) wrote:im sorry, i fail to see the point here.....
i realize you wanna be the first and do something "different" .. i get that part. but i just dont see the point of the engine you picked...you mentioned the northstar and the 3800..those were both engines that were "argueably " better than any engine we had in our cars...
but the lsj ??? i mean...........youll go thru alllll the hard work and $$$ getting that engine to work in a Jbody.....and not be making any more power than you would have if you had dropped in the L61 and bolted on a sc.....(which i might add would be MUCH cheaper and easier)..and for what? just so you can say you were the first ?
I think your comments are just wrong.
The Northstar V8 swap was not done for power, if it was it does not seem to be making much compared to what can be done with any motor put into a J stock. Yes a stock Ecotec 2.2 can make great power with a turbo, hell so can a LD9, but so can the SS/SC. Added with the tuning functions of that ECU. Swap to a turbo set-up and be good to go. I think it is great someone wants to do this more just to prove it can be done.
FU Tuning
I'm not out to prove any kind of point I'm out to take two vehicles which my friend already owns and make one usable one, I have read and read about swaps of all types of engines in the J-Body but never a Cobalt swap. So my friend and myself said what the H@*! let's do it, We are very aware of certain modifications we are going to have to do. I don't think some of you are reading my post clearly enough and jumping the gun thinking we just went out and bought these vehicles for this purpose, My friend's father owns a body shop and the cobalt was purchased from an insurance company totalled from a deer, the only thing the owner kept were the seats. the rest is there and it runs! The 95 cavi 4dr was a trade off for work so no money spent there either just time and it does not run it has primer on it and a piece of sh*! Bomex body kit.. We are not looking to be the fastest on the street but we definitely won't be the slowest by any means. The Cavai was obtained because I am still working on my interior and I needed a few parts from it, my friend owns a 99 Z24 that he needs things as well. We were going to remove what we wanted and scrap the car but we decided to do this because He already had the Cobalt and it would just go to waste in their junk yard, everybody around here has Hondas, Acuras or Nissans so a sleeper Cavi would be nice. And as John Higgins Stated.....
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I think your comments are just wrong.
The Northstar V8 swap was not done for power, if it was it does not seem to be making much compared to what can be done with any motor put into a J stock. Yes a stock Ecotec 2.2 can make great power with a turbo, hell so can a LD9, but so can the SS/SC. Added with the tuning functions of that ECU. Swap to a turbo set-up and be good to go. I think it is great someone wants to do this more just to prove it can be done.
Thanks again John for the vote of confidence
well, a guy around here dropped a V8 with spray in a tiny 2 door saturn coupe and made it RWD, why not an LSJ in a cav lol.. sounds like a tough project, good luck. ill pay close attention to the ECU part of your project
sounds like it will be fun if it gets done
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Oh this is definitely going to be a challenge but HEy I'm up for it, People have been putting big motors and doing swaps since I can remember, My neighbor when I was a kid had a 79 pinto with a 302, and I went ot school with a boy who had a Vega with a 400 small block.Soooo we are going to have a 95 Cavalier with a Cobalt SS/SC.... going out to take a few pics of the Cavi, I'll post'em later
good luck with this
Im a Xbox 360 fanboy...and damn proud of it!!
Good luck, Id do it if I had both cars laying around. I always wanted to put a lsj into a first gen for some reason. Id probably use a megsquirt though.
Well that's just what we have 2 cars laying around... Finally someone else who gets it!! we are going to try the part for part replacement first gauges, Steering column, everything. Since the Cobalt has a stand alone steering system ( no Pump on the motor)If this works trust me you guys will be first in line to see it!
the LSJ is easy, the F35 is the hard part.
Have you done the LSJ Swap?
DaFlyinSkwir(LS61) /PJ/ OEM+ wrote:the LSJ is easy, the F35 is the hard part.
The only person I know of who attempted this swap had a thread with pics, over at Quad4Forums... but that was before the server went down and the forum was restarted. This was about 2, maybe 3 years ago... they got part way though mounting the drivetrain after cutting away a significant amount of the stock J-body frame in the front end (to make it fit)... and it was never finished.
I applaud you for your efforts... but I will not be disappointed if you also find that it "just won't fit" to make it work.
