this may have been anwsered? I have a 99 2.2L and want to swap to a turbo diesel motor. has anybody try this before?

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lol, no man, to my knowledge no one has ever done this, and probly never will, cuz well........it's silly.

stick to ur basic v10 swap.

its been done 30 or 40 times now, use the search button and find the write ups on it.

There is a complete how to, with pics and step by step instructions.

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H aha ha ha this is a new one for sure...

You could probably get one of those 4 cylinder VW diesel engines in there with some work.... but why?

The only advantages of having a deisel would be counteracted by the cost and work of doing this..... just but a car with one already in it.

If it were to be attempted by me, I'd look into using either the Isuzu 1.8L diesel found in available (But not built in large quantity!) in the '82-85 Chevette, or the Isuzu 2.2L found in '83-85 S-truck (Again, not many built. So....). I'd then look for an adapter plate to mate it with the bell-housing of whatever trans I was looking to use (Better be strong... 'Cause diesels make allota torque, and they'll tear too light of duty trans to shreds!) then work on all the mounting, plumbing & what-not.

BTW: A friend has met a man that swapped a Kubota 3(?)-cyl (Turbo'd?) diesel into a Chevette, backed with a 4-speed Ford "Top-loader" trans that gets 60mpg... That's without an overdrive, y'all! I've got pictures of it (somewhere around here) but can't post them due to lack of scanner. But I'll work on it... Just give me time.


Go beyond the "bolt-on".

cummins 4BT or GTFO.


btw, what are you going to do about gearing? diesels rev a lot lower than gasoline engines you know.

use the tranny that comes with the diesel motor, I seen a guy that put a 1.8 vw engine in his Plymouth mini van, said it was the best thing he has ever done.


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Oedwards wrote:use the tranny that comes with the diesel motor, I seen a guy that put a 1.8 vw engine in his Plymouth mini van, said it was the best thing he has ever done.

V-dub diesel in a K-car based platform... Yeah, that would be easy. Especially when you consider that the first Omni/Horizon units where VW-powered, and how the first generation of Mopar FWDs (All American-designed models) had their undercarriage based on the same cars. Talk about a "Easy as pie" swap, escentually.


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DaFlyinSkwirl (Pj) v2.0 wrote:cummins 4BT or GTFO.


btw, what are you going to do about gearing? diesels rev a lot lower than gasoline engines you know.

If he really wanted to, he could pull around 60mph in 5th gear. That should be in range of that diesel, but that's about all he'll get out of it. So hopefully it's not some performance idea that they're tossing around.





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most small diesels have a wider rpm range , even a d-max spins over 4k , seen some that spin over 5k

I've never seen one that goes over 5 but the smaller ones do rev higher then something thats in like a semi that only goes to 2 grand

Thats right.. they reline at 2 grand... thats the reason for all the gears.

I have pondered the idea of a diesel swap myself. Doing a cummins 4bt swap wouldn't be worth the weight(motor weighs over 1000 lbs) plus the mods to make the injection pump work with fluctuations in rpms. That would be the same for any diesel engine that would be grabbed from a heavy equipment application. I personally dont like the vw diesels, no reason really just dont. I recently was given a 83 Mercedes 300sd turbo diesel. Its not a performer but it has some potential. It comes from the factory with 125hp and around 200 foot pounds of torque(mercedes OM617.952 engine). Not a screaming engine but turning the fuel up on the injection pump and using a vgt or vnt turbo can make a difference.

The nice part about the engine is that it uses a mechanical fuel injection pump which would make getting it to run in a j alot easier. The only problem i see with it is that its not a cross-flow style motor. The intake and exhaust are both on the one side. It would be very cramped by the firewall in a j.

But alas this is probably like most engine swaps I have read about people wanting to do...it will never happen. Im dead set on swapping the benz diesel in but unless the money comes my way to do the swap its never going to happen.

DaFlyinSkwirl (Pj) v2.0 wrote:cummins 4BT or GTFO.

The only time I would ever use a 4BT is in a Dodge-based RV, where the available under-doghouse (aka: Hood) space is at a premium & and I'm looking to go with a more efficient power-plant to serve the same duties. That & maybe also build it for drag-racing, if it was light enough.


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Your talking about the stanadyne rotary injection pump used on most diesels... I had to learn how every part of one of those worked... it sucked LOL

Everything is still ran by ECM though... so its still gunna be a bitch..

Actually, the 4BT uses a Bosch P7100 pump... The favorite of performance-oriented diesel builders. No computer necessary!


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"Performance oriented diesel builders"
LMFAO

Unless your doing it to pull a lot of weight or something..... I've never understood those people..

I can't understand people who take names like "Weebil". Or those who willingly choose to pour tons of money into building hi-power machines with intent on drag-racing, when then power made only goes to the wheels that will see the least amount of traction under hard acceleration from a stand-still.

That aside, I wonder what the OP is thinking of using as fuel in this swap... Petroleum-based diesel? Bio-diesel? WVO (Waste vegetable oil (Treated or untreated))? If he's thinking the latter, I know where he's going... It's part of the same reason I took interest in diesel-combustion engines in the past few years: Lower fuel costs.

Hey, here's a thought: Electromotive-diesel conversion, like railway locomotives have. Now there's an efficient package.


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i have thought about doing this in my wifes 97 cavy when she blow the motor up, we have owned 6 TDI jetta in the past and they get 50mpg in those, but figured i would never get the money back out of it, and the cavy is her beater car so no since in putting that much money in it, love the VW TDI thow

I know its a pricey and impractical solution, but they have lots of diesels overseas put into small cars. If you really wanted a high quality diesel, you could get one from Europe. Cost aside, you'd have your pick of any manufacturer you want (If you want a GM motor, you could pull one from an Astra, ford has diesels, even Jag, BMW and Mercedes), any size, output, transmission you want, you could get.


2010 Honda Fit LX

Sure you probably could do a diesel swap. You can do just about anything if you really want to, and have the resources. I bet a diesel j-body would get upward of 50-60MPG on the highway with the right gearing. Or you could look into getting a used VW Jetta TDI with the work already done for you. Just my thoughts.. Or you could wait for the Ford fiesta or Ford Focus to get the diesel engine option. (Which I dearly hope we get here in the US, it would be awesome)

The Golf will be available with a diesel here soon, but that's off the point of this thread.

The big thing to consider when going diesel is to look at it as if you were buying a house. In other words: Think "Long-term". Don't do it because fuel costs for a diesel are low at the moment, because fuel prices are always in flux... Gasoline, diesel or CNG/propane. Diesels are such long-wearing engines that, compared to their gasoline counterparts, they can see 300k-mi before even possibility of need to consider doing a rebuild arises. That alone makes them a very good initial investment for long-term ownership consideration, especially after you consider the overall cost of ownership over time.

To see this come to be would be great, but I'd shy-away from the diesel-drags with it if it did. Somehow I doubt the sight of both the drive-wheels & the exhaust billowing smoke while the vehicle in question basically just makes alot of noise while going nowhere fast would be very pleasing. It'd make a neat-lookin' photo... but seeing it in-motion just wouldn't fly.


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Newer diesels, like those in the TDI etc, don't smoke. They are as quiet as, less smelly exhaust, than a gasser. But to answer your question, yes I think you could do it.

Nick wrote:Newer diesels, like those in the TDI etc, don't smoke. They are as quiet as, less smelly exhaust, than a gasser. But to answer your question, yes I think you could do it.

True, they are better now than they were... Thanks to the implementation of common-rail injection (Like late-model gasoline engines use!). But still, I've seen programs loaded in diesel rigs ECM that would make them run rich under heavy load. This is counter-intuitive to the method preached by Gale Banks ("Smoke is wasted power."), but as heavily modded some of those rigs were... it's no surprise to maybe see some smoke. As for the less noise part, I've read the review on the diesel-powered Jeep Liberty, so no surprises there.

And for those that'd argue diesels don't belong in drag-racing, here's a l'il something:

In last-year's Hot Rod Magazine's Power Tour(?) there was a '94-'04 Mustang with a Duramax squeezed under the hood. It turned-out times rivaling some of the quickest cars taking part (Less than 10-sec!), and still got mileage that rivaled a turbo'd 4-cyl that attended.


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