hi i have a 1992 cavalier 2.2l auto 3 speed. K&N intake high flow cat and 4inch fireball ball muffler. want to do a roller rocker swap but what car could i get them out of that would fit right in and what injectors would fit right in to and give me more power. also what other cheep mods could i do to get more power.
Injectors will not give you more power. It has been gone over several times on here that the LN2 does not make a lot of power unless you boost it. Even with head and complete motor builds some have only made marginal gains. I would say swap to an LD9 or eco and save your money. Here are the top LN2 builds.
1 Erik Packard 141.00 151.00 Mustang LN2 N/A
2 Nitrous Nate 130.00 143.00 Dynojet LN2 N/A
3 2Bluecavy 119.00 126.00 LN2 N/A
4 96 Cav 112.00 Dynojet LN2 N/A
5 02silvercavy 107.00 132.00 LN2 N/A
6 HardcoreXSunfire 103.00 123.00 Mustang LN2 N/A
7 Badasscav 101.60 122.00 LN2 N/A
8 Chad 99.00 117.00 Dynojet LN2 N/A
Forget more power, you need a 5 speed swap. That 3 speed is tough as hell, but not great for mild performance builds.
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Tony T Crams wrote:Forget more power, you need a 5 speed swap. That 3 speed is tough as hell, but not great for mild performance builds.
this, don't swap the engine when the transmission is what's killing your power. i love how that's everyone's answer to this commonly asked question. just swap the engine.
boosting would probably be your best bet for power but their are several things you can do all motor to make more power. and no it won't cost you 3000 bucks to do it like was just posted in some other thread. it's not that hard.
where's ohvrolla when ya need him.
blucavvy wrote:Tony T Crams wrote:Forget more power, you need a 5 speed swap. That 3 speed is tough as hell, but not great for mild performance builds.
this, don't swap the engine when the transmission is what's killing your power. i love how that's everyone's answer to this commonly asked question. just swap the engine.
boosting would probably be your best bet for power but their are several things you can do all motor to make more power. and no it won't cost you 3000 bucks to do it like was just posted in some other thread. it's not that hard.
where's ohvrolla when ya need him.
It cost me more than that so I'm not sure why u say that. I bet you'd be surprised. You go build a motor for 300+ whp (properly) and see how much it costs to do it right. Oh yeah, its all the transmission thats killing your power. The LN2 is gods gift to earth.
No one that I know of as of yet...madjack is in the process...has built an all out 2.2. Look at the number one on the HP numbers. That guy had a built bottom end, 10.5-1 forged pistons, PnP head, but not an impressive cam. Everyone always either doesnt buy a good cam or has a cam and doesnt port the head. Also there is a large need for a plenum spacer and bigger throttle body. Good numbers can be done, probably not cheap and probably not the easiest.
blucavvy wrote:
boosting would probably be your best bet for power but their are several things you can do all motor to make more power. and no it won't cost you 3000 bucks to do it like was just posted in some other thread. it's not that hard.
where's ohvrolla when ya need him.
Here is the parts list somebody mentioned to put on the car in the other thread. I just put it into a list. Now you're telling me this wouldn't be over $3000?
pistons / rings / (possibly rods)
probably bored out block
head / port-n-polish
cam
exhaust
header
Intake
Intake manifold
throttle body
gasket set
tune
Pistons / rings, fresh bore, port-n-polish and a tune will probably be around $2000.
That doesn't even account for if the person decides to use all stock valvetrain parts, which they probably wouldn't since this would be a balls-to-the-wall motor, so you you could probably add that to the list too.
Here is a extensive parts list from my build of rebuilding a motor and adding significant amounts of power. I will adjust the list a little as mine was for boost and some of the parts were obviously not needed. If someone was doing a balls-to-the-wall all motor LN2 this would be many of the parts they would probably be using.
Engine
overbore pistons
piston rings
Cam
timing belt
water pump
Rod bearings
Main bearings
Thrust washers
Full engines & gasket seals
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Strengthened Rods
bore block
Head studs (possibly)
Main studs (possibly)
Polyurethane Engine Mounts
spark plugs
Port-n-Polish
Exhaust
Header
Catback Exhaust
Electronics/Gauges
HP Tuners
basemap to get to dyno (optional)
Wideband
Gauge pod
Most people like to run other gauges (fuel pressure, oil pressure, water temp, etc)
Induction System / Fuel System
Air intake
Intake manifold
Throttle body
550cc injectors
Possible larger fuel pump depending on desired hp
Drivetrain
Clutch
Resurfaced or Upgraded Flywheel
lsd (optional)
Misc
Dyno tune
Start-up Oil
Initial Break-in Oil
Break-in oil
Anti-freeze
Oil for transmission
Tow to the dyno if basemap not used
That's what it takes to do an all out motor build. There is no way in hell I would spend that kind of money on an LN2.
Discuss!
Matthew Jollymore wrote:blucavvy wrote:Tony T Crams wrote:Forget more power, you need a 5 speed swap. That 3 speed is tough as hell, but not great for mild performance builds.
this, don't swap the engine when the transmission is what's killing your power. i love how that's everyone's answer to this commonly asked question. just swap the engine.
boosting would probably be your best bet for power but their are several things you can do all motor to make more power. and no it won't cost you 3000 bucks to do it like was just posted in some other thread. it's not that hard.
where's ohvrolla when ya need him.
It cost me more than that so I'm not sure why u say that. I bet you'd be surprised. You go build a motor for 300+ whp (properly) and see how much it costs to do it right. Oh yeah, its all the transmission thats killing your power. The LN2 is gods gift to earth.
whoever said anything about 300 whp? and yes that's exactly what i said the ln2 is gods gift to the earth. want some sand out for your vag now?
all i said is it's ridiculous how everyone always says nothing can be done with the ln2. just swap it, just get rid of it.
** They don't have to be 550cc injectors, that was just the injectors that I used.... Whoopsy Doodle!
blucavvy wrote:
all i said is it's ridiculous how everyone always says nothing can be done with the ln2. just swap it, just get rid of it.
I know you can do something with the LN2, but you are going to spend a lot of money for mediocre gains. The reason why we are saying to get rid of it if you are staying NA is because there is nothing that you can do to the LN2 for the cost of a swap that is going to match the performance of the LD9 or Ecotec.
Why would you spend more to get less?
kevo1586 . wrote:blucavvy wrote:
all i said is it's ridiculous how everyone always says nothing can be done with the ln2. just swap it, just get rid of it.
I know you can do something with the LN2, but you are going to spend a lot of money for mediocre gains. The reason why we are saying to get rid of it if you are staying NA is because there is nothing that you can do to the LN2 for the cost of a swap that is going to match the performance of the LD9 or Ecotec.
Why would you spend more to get less?
Thats what were saying blucavvy. I just said if you want something worth while to build as an N/A motor, swap it. Face it, the LN2 is not going to make big power N/A. Now on the other hand I mentioned this in my original post.
Matthew Jollymore wrote:the LN2 does not make a lot of power unless you boost it
If you know of another way to make decent power out of a LN2 without boost then please do share. I know how much it costs to do a complete motor build as I am in the process of finishing mine up (and obviously Kevo knows too as he has done a complete rebuild as well). All we are saying is if your want numbers out of the LN2, boost it. Building a crazy all motor LN2 is just not practical as the gains would be no where near a built LD9 or eco. But if you have thousands of dollars to waste and don't want 200hp then build the LN2 for N/A.
okay im just looking for little bit more power nothing really really big. just around maybe 200 hp at the most. i am turbing it definetly and nothing big maybe 10 psi is there anythiing else thats sort easy to do that i can do to get little bit more power i dont need 300 and 400 hp and im not swaping the 2.2 im leving that in there and yes i am doing a 5speed swap
Guys. This is a 2nd gen. I mean these came from the factory with V6's. Shouldnt that be the swap here? I mean really?
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Josh Allshosue wrote:okay im just looking for little bit more power nothing really really big. just around maybe 200 hp at the most. i am turbing it definetly and nothing big maybe 10 psi is there anythiing else thats sort easy to do that i can do to get little bit more power i dont need 300 and 400 hp and im not swaping the 2.2 im leving that in there and yes i am doing a 5speed swap
If you boost your stock motor, you do not need to add anything other than the necessary parts to make 200whp. An exhaust system would probably be the only thing I recommend. You don't need cams or anything like that to make 200whp when boosted, just an appropriately sized turbo.
You have to consider that when you boost your car there isn't really a whole lot left to do to the engine other than engine internals, a throttle body and an intake manifold. Almost everything else is changed from NA form. Best advice is to have a good plan and know what you want to do with the car (street, track, etc) and what power you want and build everything accordingly.
If you only want 200whp, it should be a pretty straightforward build. Good luck!
im not doing a v6 swape there only alittle more power than the 2.2 and get worse gas milage and there harder to find parts for. im leving the motor in there. my plan is for street. dd too but have power in it. yeah just like at most 10 psi turbo havbe an k&n intake now and high flow cat with 5zigen fireball muffler 4inch tip. want to do injecters but what one will bolt in and be stock out of something else not A 2.2? and im doing a head gasket soon. how hard is it to do?
o and does anyone know if a catback from a 1995-98 exhaust offf a cavaleir will fit my second gen?
if you go with a turbo, your K&N intake will be no good to you any more. You might be able to re-use the filter with the turbo, but the intake tubing will serve absolutely no purpose. You will be running charge pipes in place of it.
RC Engineering will probably be able to get you a set of injectors and if they can't, somebody on here will be able to point you in the right direction. Don't forget that if you replace the injectors you will need to get a tune as the signal (for the injectors) and fuel mapping will be scaled for your old injectors and the result will be your car running poorly or not at all.
How big is your current exhaust tubing?
Why are you doing a head gasket soon? Is it blown or something? If not, then why?
Josh Allshosue wrote:im not doing a v6 swape there only alittle more power than the 2.2 and get worse gas milage and there harder to find parts for. im leving the motor in there. my plan is for street. dd too but have power in it. yeah just like at most 10 psi turbo havbe an k&n intake now and high flow cat with 5zigen fireball muffler 4inch tip. want to do injecters but what one will bolt in and be stock out of something else not A 2.2? and im doing a head gasket soon. how hard is it to do?
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? A V6 swap in my car gave a bunch more power. Still gets 23mpg while driving it like a complete dick, going WOT from stop signs and lights everywhere. I don't understand what's so hard about going to Advance/AutoZone/Oreilleys/Napa to find parts. Unless you're talking about performance parts... and if you were, have you see what there is out there for the 2.2?
Seriously, a 3400 swap will probably get you more power than it will for you to put a turbo on your 2.2 without some decent other mods to hold down the boost. Your intake and your muffler ain't doing dick for you right now. "cheap mods" on a 2.2, will get you into the 17's. FYI.
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A boosted LN2 will spank a NA 3400, end of story
doing it cause it bobbles at the one end and i want to clean everything. and its a 2 to a hight flow 2 1/2 with 2 1/2 pipes to a 4 inch tip and yes a LN2 will beat a 3400 anyday. that why im not doing a 3400 swape 3400's have less than 200 hp and i get easy get over 200 boosted out of my LN2 and its alread in the car. i want bigger rockers and push rods.
hahah yeah 200 hp but with way more torque , especially low end, compared to a turbo ln2.
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Ya know.... that was my motivation for swapping from the 2.2. Well, asides from the 2.2 being blown up. Knowing that I'd have a lot of trouble reaching the 200hp mark, even under boost. Having 1 blown up 2.2 was enough for me. But, to each his own I guess.
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Lots of misinformation in here
I know quite a few decently powered LN2s.....was almost one myself until I got into LSxs
If anyone needs some go fast parts for one, I can possibly help out.....
Boosted LN2 List
1 Ryan Egleston 420.5whp 359.8wtq Dynojet Turbo 2200
2 Adler 275.00 306.00 Mustang Turbo 2200
3 sYn 260.35 250.36 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 13 psi
4 Ryan Chipley 198.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
5 Chris Buynack 185.00 218.00 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
6 Alex Richards 177.9 194.8 Dynojet 2200 Turbo @13psi Auto with a @!#$ tune
7 hpm 169.90 210.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 8 psi
A 3400 won't even have the same amount of whp as the worst LN2 on that list and 169whp would be a joke to achieve. And I'm sure the torque will be just fine as most of the setups above are making just as much wheel tq as the 3400 makes in brake tq.
A boosted LN2 would have to be awfully poorly executed before it would lose to a 3400.
