Hello fellow J-body members. I am looking at possibly installing some sort cold air intake in my 2002 sunfire 2.2L non-ecotec engine. Want to basically ask for any advice about doing this. I do not know a whole bunch about this type of modification. My main goals for this modification are too gain better fuel efficiency and a little more power. does anyone have any advice for someone like me doing this sort of modification?
Any help is greatly appreciated
Jason
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Unless you're looking into turbos, you will typically have to choose
either power
or fuel efficiency.
If you want fuel efficiency, go with a smaller intake. 2" or so. If you want to make more power up in the higher revs, go with a 3"
i suggest buying a weapon r system, i just bought one and had my exhaust dont and i can feel a difference, mainly in the high rpms
dakota phelps wrote:i suggest buying a weapon r system, i just bought one and had my exhaust dont and i can feel a difference, mainly in the high rpms
Im sorry that you wasted all of that money.
An intake is nothing more than a simple pipe.
Go on ebay and find a cold air for 45 dollars. It will come with a decent filter, and decent fittings.
Sell the filter, and go for a better brand name. (This is where Weapon R comes in)
With that being said- Dont be ghetto. Stay away from PVC, or any plastic.
I spent 500 dollars on my old cold air when i was new to the scene. Two years later, it flew off on the highway.
I just spent 35 on a new short ram on ebay, and another 35 for a new filter. Total = 200 less than any brand name that you could buy.
I notice NO difference to between my ebay intake, and my old 'name brand'
I've still got a boost in power either way.
Correct me if I'm wrong but a full cold air from the throttle or the housing, I've been looking and for. That price all I see is from the housing WAI
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There have been several discussions on the big difference between a cai and a wai. If my memory serves me correctly, there isnt much of a power difference.
"Oil Leak ? What oil Leak ? Oh, Thats Just The Sweat From All The HorsePower!!"
Right!! No what I meant is usually the only WAI for the fifty-ish range are from the housing not the throttle, anyone see some from throttle post them please
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jamie fix wrote:dakota phelps wrote:i suggest buying a weapon r system, i just bought one and had my exhaust dont and i can feel a difference, mainly in the high rpms
Im sorry that you wasted all of that money.
An intake is nothing more than a simple pipe.
Go on ebay and find a cold air for 45 dollars. It will come with a decent filter, and decent fittings.
Sell the filter, and go for a better brand name. (This is where Weapon R comes in)
With that being said- Dont be ghetto. Stay away from PVC, or any plastic.
I spent 500 dollars on my old cold air when i was new to the scene. Two years later, it flew off on the highway.
I just spent 35 on a new short ram on ebay, and another 35 for a new filter. Total = 200 less than any brand name that you could buy.
I notice NO difference to between my ebay intake, and my old 'name brand'
I've still got a boost in power either way.
you spent 500 dollars on an intake? what intake was it?
only advice i have is make sure u plug the mass airflow sensor into ur intake, and i vote for the ebay intake i personally went with the fuel efficiency but a intake will give ur car a little more pep compaired to the stocker
jamie fix wrote:dakota phelps wrote:i suggest buying a weapon r system, i just bought one and had my exhaust dont and i can feel a difference, mainly in the high rpms
Im sorry that you wasted all of that money.
An intake is nothing more than a simple pipe.
Go on ebay and find a cold air for 45 dollars. It will come with a decent filter, and decent fittings.
Sell the filter, and go for a better brand name. (This is where Weapon R comes in)
With that being said- Dont be ghetto. Stay away from PVC, or any plastic.
I spent 500 dollars on my old cold air when i was new to the scene. Two years later, it flew off on the highway.
I just spent 35 on a new short ram on ebay, and another 35 for a new filter. Total = 200 less than any brand name that you could buy.
I notice NO difference to between my ebay intake, and my old 'name brand'
I've still got a boost in power either way.
the only reason i suggest weapon r is because is is cheap i got mine for around 100 and it went from the throttle body and had all the tubes and was the right length and had the stuff for the airflow sensor, ive seen some ebay ones for like 30-70 and they look ghetto and dont come off the throttle body, id rather spend a bit more and actually but something that is guaranteed to fit and is coming from a more reliable website than ebay. i am very pleased with my weapon r, u can dog it all you want but i can have my own opinion and i do. im not downing urs either at least i dont mean to be im just staying mine.
Daniel Cooper wrote:only advice i have is make sure u plug the mass airflow sensor into ur intake, and i vote for the ebay intake i personally went with the fuel efficiency but a intake will give ur car a little more pep compaired to the stocker
i will paypal you $100 right now if you can find a mass air flow sensor on your 3rd gen j body.
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dakota phelps wrote:jamie fix wrote:dakota phelps wrote:i suggest buying a weapon r system, i just bought one and had my exhaust dont and i can feel a difference, mainly in the high rpms
Im sorry that you wasted all of that money.
An intake is nothing more than a simple pipe.
Go on ebay and find a cold air for 45 dollars. It will come with a decent filter, and decent fittings.
Sell the filter, and go for a better brand name. (This is where Weapon R comes in)
With that being said- Dont be ghetto. Stay away from PVC, or any plastic.
I spent 500 dollars on my old cold air when i was new to the scene. Two years later, it flew off on the highway.
I just spent 35 on a new short ram on ebay, and another 35 for a new filter. Total = 200 less than any brand name that you could buy.
I notice NO difference to between my ebay intake, and my old 'name brand'
I've still got a boost in power either way.
the only reason i suggest weapon r is because is is cheap i got mine for around 100 and it went from the throttle body and had all the tubes and was the right length and had the stuff for the airflow sensor, ive seen some ebay ones for like 30-70 and they look ghetto and dont come off the throttle body, id rather spend a bit more and actually but something that is guaranteed to fit and is coming from a more reliable website than ebay. i am very pleased with my weapon r, u can dog it all you want but i can have my own opinion and i do. im not downing urs either at least i dont mean to be im just staying mine.
correction i beleive its the IAT sensor, i maybe wrong tho.
i fould stay away from fender well intakes. a lot of people i know have blown engine from going through puddles and the filter sucking up water and hydro locking the engine. just my 2 cents
Just get a AEM Cold Air Induction system, also get a Bypass valve just incase you suck up water.
This will include instructions, pipes, clamps, filter. Everything you need, do It right the first time, Ebay intakes suck.
The AEM intake will fit perfect, you want a perfect fit right? Good than just get that, or get a cheap WAI, and a good filter.
Good luck, and search around on ebay sometimes you can find a good deal even in the classifies here.
~Spy
Spy 21 wrote:Just get a AEM Cold Air Induction system, also get a Bypass valve just incase you suck up water.
This will include instructions, pipes, clamps, filter. Everything you need, do It right the first time, Ebay intakes suck.
The AEM intake will fit perfect, you want a perfect fit right? Good than just get that, or get a cheap WAI, and a good filter.
Good luck, and search around on ebay sometimes you can find a good deal even in the classifies here.
~Spy
Or you could buy the correct bends, couplers, filter and clamps for a fraction of the price and still have the same thing...
Mike wrote:Spy 21 wrote:Just get a AEM Cold Air Induction system, also get a Bypass valve just incase you suck up water.
This will include instructions, pipes, clamps, filter. Everything you need, do It right the first time, Ebay intakes suck.
The AEM intake will fit perfect, you want a perfect fit right? Good than just get that, or get a cheap WAI, and a good filter.
Good luck, and search around on ebay sometimes you can find a good deal even in the classifies here.
~Spy
Or you could buy the correct bends, couplers, filter and clamps for a fraction of the price and still have the same thing...
You can do that but I think it is easy for him just to purchase the kit.
Unless you want to hold his hand and help him shop for all the pieces, clamps, best Diameter, couplers, filters, breathers, etc.
He is asking about installing an intake so I figured he does not have experience with cars, just trying to make his task go smooth
and painless as possible.
The Cheap -
http://www.amazon.com/00-02-Pontiac-Sunfire-2-2L-Intake/dp/B004YM3GRE/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1305736032&sr=8-3-fkmr2
The not so Cheap -
http://www.amazon.com/AEM-21-447R-Cold-Intake-System/dp/B000CFSCL2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1305736113&sr=8-2
Mike your right they all work, its just all tubing but when it comes to being new and not knowing much in the long run sometimes you will save your self the headache of just buying a kit.
Plus he will get a quality filter not some restrictive card board one that deserves to be on a vacuum. Good Luck in what ever way you go and welcome to the world of Modifying!
Spy 21 wrote:Just get a AEM Cold Air Induction system, also get a Bypass valve just incase you suck up water.
This will include instructions, pipes, clamps, filter. Everything you need, do It right the first time, Ebay intakes suck.
The AEM intake will fit perfect, you want a perfect fit right? Good than just get that, or get a cheap WAI, and a good filter.
Good luck, and search around on ebay sometimes you can find a good deal even in the classifies here.
~Spy
IMO the Bypass valve is a waste of money, I've done both CAI and WAI, felt no difference between them. The Bypass valve DOES work, there was a video on it, but it completely messes up the flow of air creating a little turbulence killing the 2 extra hp you get from CAI instead of WAI. AEM charges 50 dollars for the Bypass valve, if anyone wants mine, ill gladly sell it for less, it's mint condition, maybe 100 miles on it, 3 inch...It DOES work if you suck in water, it does kill that scared to drive in the rain feeling, but IMO felt no difference between CAI and WAI. However I DID feel a difference in low rpm driving, when my filter next to my header felt sluggish, when it was away from it and near where the stock box goes, it was a little less sluggish, although high rpms, felt no difference between them all.
easy fix if you want it to go to the TB instead of the box, go to NAPA and get a 90* exhaust elbow cut it to fit and get two connectors, done.
I have a CAI from a group by several years ago, driven through slightly flooded streets, and when a tropical storm came rolling through when I was in FL never hydro locked.
I bought the $49.99 ($20 shipping) intake from Glazious direct (ebay) on Feb 2010. It fits the car great. I did have to get a better IAT grommet, and I eventually changed the included 2.75" filter with an AEM dry-flow. I also installed an AEM By-pass and valve cover breather filter. With everything added up it is still cheaper than the AEM cold air intake kit listed above.
But do what you want, its your car and money. Good luck.
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95LsCoupe wrote:Spy 21 wrote:Just get a AEM Cold Air Induction system, also get a Bypass valve just incase you suck up water.
This will include instructions, pipes, clamps, filter. Everything you need, do It right the first time, Ebay intakes suck.
The AEM intake will fit perfect, you want a perfect fit right? Good than just get that, or get a cheap WAI, and a good filter.
Good luck, and search around on ebay sometimes you can find a good deal even in the classifies here.
~Spy
IMO the Bypass valve is a waste of money, I've done both CAI and WAI, felt no difference between them. The Bypass valve DOES work, there was a video on it, but it completely messes up the flow of air creating a little turbulence killing the 2 extra hp you get from CAI instead of WAI. AEM charges 50 dollars for the Bypass valve, if anyone wants mine, ill gladly sell it for less, it's mint condition, maybe 100 miles on it, 3 inch...It DOES work if you suck in water, it does kill that scared to drive in the rain feeling, but IMO felt no difference between CAI and WAI. However I DID feel a difference in low rpm driving, when my filter next to my header felt sluggish, when it was away from it and near where the stock box goes, it was a little less sluggish, although high rpms, felt no difference between them all.
unless you can show dyno proof that a cai gains 2 more hp than a wai, stfu. all your'e doing is spreading nonsense.
blucavvy wrote:95LsCoupe wrote:Spy 21 wrote:Just get a AEM Cold Air Induction system, also get a Bypass valve just incase you suck up water.
This will include instructions, pipes, clamps, filter. Everything you need, do It right the first time, Ebay intakes suck.
The AEM intake will fit perfect, you want a perfect fit right? Good than just get that, or get a cheap WAI, and a good filter.
Good luck, and search around on ebay sometimes you can find a good deal even in the classifies here.
~Spy
IMO the Bypass valve is a waste of money, I've done both CAI and WAI, felt no difference between them. The Bypass valve DOES work, there was a video on it, but it completely messes up the flow of air creating a little turbulence killing the 2 extra hp you get from CAI instead of WAI. AEM charges 50 dollars for the Bypass valve, if anyone wants mine, ill gladly sell it for less, it's mint condition, maybe 100 miles on it, 3 inch...It DOES work if you suck in water, it does kill that scared to drive in the rain feeling, but IMO felt no difference between CAI and WAI. However I DID feel a difference in low rpm driving, when my filter next to my header felt sluggish, when it was away from it and near where the stock box goes, it was a little less sluggish, although high rpms, felt no difference between them all.
unless you can show dyno proof that a cai gains 2 more hp than a wai, stfu. all your'e doing is spreading nonsense.
that part was sarcasm, or was saying the rumor, in all that i said, i felt no difference between cai and wai
and my town floods sometimes 2 feet deep, id rather not chance it without the bypass valve, but as of now im running wai because its just simplier to work around
This is turning into another pointless intake thread, from my opinion I have the WAI Rksport and the AEM CAI, they both perform well, I get alot cooler temps from the CAI though.
Testing it using my ScanGauge2 I have seen 10-12 diff in temps between the 2, Horse Power wise I have seen no Diff, just noise and a little higher pull in the high RPMs.
And intake is just a starting point into making your engine breath better if you say you Feel the 2hp or what not your an idiot, thats like removing a seat and saying its faster.
Just get whatever you want, just remmber you get what you pay for and thats that.
Spy 21 wrote:This is turning into another pointless intake thread, from my opinion I have the WAI Rksport and the AEM CAI, they both perform well, I get alot cooler temps from the CAI though.
Testing it using my ScanGauge2 I have seen 10-12 diff in temps between the 2, Horse Power wise I have seen no Diff, just noise and a little higher pull in the high RPMs.
And intake is just a starting point into making your engine breath better if you say you Feel the 2hp or what not your an idiot, thats like removing a seat and saying its faster.
Just get whatever you want, just remmber you get what you pay for and thats that.
i read somewhere that for every 10 degrees less = 1whp...i mean in the coldest winter you can get a pretty big difference, but in the summer and all i dont think its much, also longer pipe is less throttle response (atleast from what ive felt) and on a daily driver, id rather have more throttle response, feels better in traffic and slow driving.
also when you're moving, air under the hood isnt completely still, so it's not as hot as you think.
and getting what you paid for, 500 dollar intake does the same as a 30 dollar ebay intake with same filter as the 500 dollar one(if same size and filter, IMO brand name intakes are not worth it)
95LsCoupe wrote:Spy 21 wrote:This is turning into another pointless intake thread, from my opinion I have the WAI Rksport and the AEM CAI, they both perform well, I get alot cooler temps from the CAI though.
Testing it using my ScanGauge2 I have seen 10-12 diff in temps between the 2, Horse Power wise I have seen no Diff, just noise and a little higher pull in the high RPMs.
And intake is just a starting point into making your engine breath better if you say you Feel the 2hp or what not your an idiot, thats like removing a seat and saying its faster.
Just get whatever you want, just remmber you get what you pay for and thats that.
i read somewhere that for every 10 degrees less = 1whp...i mean in the coldest winter you can get a pretty big difference, but in the summer and all i dont think its much, also longer pipe is less throttle response (atleast from what ive felt) and on a daily driver, id rather have more throttle response, feels better in traffic and slow driving.
also when you're moving, air under the hood isnt completely still, so it's not as hot as you think.
and getting what you paid for, 500 dollar intake does the same as a 30 dollar ebay intake with same filter as the 500 dollar one(if same size and filter, IMO brand name intakes are not worth it)
Your exactly correct! WAI = Throttle Re, something I miss with the CAI.
Plus I paid 100bucks shipped for my intake off a buddy on Gmscf.
Also I didn't say it but check classifieds and ebay regularly!
Eather intake he's going to like just personal pref.
Wow.... come on people... a pipe is a pipe. If you really want you can go down to home depot and get pvc pipe to make an intake system and it will serve the same "performance" as any other pipe on the market.
My suggestion is this: Buy an ebay intake for under 50 bucks then go down to autozone or whatever parts store you have around you and buy a K&N filter and recharge kit. You will have a top of line filter and sticker to brag to all your ricer friends about plus you can clean/oil it properly when you need to.
Also, the AEM bypass filters are a complete waste of money. The only way they are functional is if you have the entire cone filter submerged in water, a situation any streetcar should NEVER see with any semi-responsible driver. Think of the intake system like you would a straw in a drink, unless the end of the straw is completely submerged you arent going to pick up water, its the same thing with the filter. Sure it may get wet during a rain storm but wet enough to kill an engine... not unless youre some moron driving full speed into knee deep puddles.
...and an extra foot of piping for a cold air isnt going to change your throttle response unless you have 700 bends to make it down into that fender.
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