First off, i DID search and haven't found a solid answer...
Power steering is a wonderful thing, (this might sound noobish) but i was hoping maybe there was a way i could just use a smaller belt to bypass the pump for the few hp gains, just to use when i race then put the old belt back on for daily use. Now the problem is, the way the tensioner is set up, i do not see how id get a belt on there(1995 2.2OHV motor), is there a way to get a smaller belt over it? do i just use my incredible hulk muscles and pull it over the alternator or loosen the alternator?
Or is there a way to use the tensioner, idk just want help bypassing it for a short time
And as for Cat delete, are there really any gains, my friend with an eclipse(non turbo), his butt dyno told him huge gains which i honestly havent felt but i dont know his car that well? im running 2.25 inch pipe with some header that came with the car when i bought it, no resonator and a fart can....i wanna say it's high flow cat, but it looks small, but it looks slightly bigger then stock one but not too sure to be honest
Go ahead and criticize the minimal gains ill be getting from both, it's my car, ill do what i want lol btw it's 1995, i can pass inspection without it
Mostly i want answeres to the P/S bypass, also if anyone has done it and knows the belt size..that'd be incredible...i also did a/c delete to help with belt size
the answer is no to both. you wont notice squat. just quit modding it.... you pretty much have the slowest cavalier model gm ever made...
Truthfully... take the OHV out of your car, and either swap in the 2.3L, W31 (I think thats the engine code)
That engine will be a HUGE improvement over anything you can start with on the 95 2.2, AND the 95 through 97s were the only years you could easily swap that engine into
If you're set on modding what you have... then you will notice minor gain from taking the cat out... simple fact... a 17 year old cat conv would have SO much crap in it... you'd be restricting the flow of your exhaust, regardless of if you were running 4" piping from the manifold back
If it is a high flow, you wont notice much difference, so IMO it wouldn't be worth the crappy gas mileage
Does that make sense? kind of wrote in a flutter of caffeine high
Buddy Club Ecotec Cavalier
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W41 not 31
JBO since July 30, 2001
NOTa2_4 wrote:W41 not 31
Thank you
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My ps pump exploded So i removed it.
My serpentine system is crank, water pump, alt, and idler pulley.
The number is 050450 I got it at napa. I forget the measurement.
I ended up forcing it on and getting a larger idler pulley to act as a tensioner in the place of the stock idler pulley. Works like a charm. PAIN to install though. I had to loosen the alternator and force the belt on.
I don't know what the idler pulley i used was from, it was in a box in my garage. It started slipping with the stock idler pulley after a month or so. Larger pulley pushed the back of the belt more tightening it up.
Everything still spins the right way.
I didnt notice any gains at all, but I did it because it was cheaper than a new ps pump.
Drove it this way at least 5k miles. It needs a clutch now, so it sits.
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Matt Linke wrote:My ps pump exploded So i removed it.
My serpentine system is crank, water pump, alt, and idler pulley.
The number is 050450 I got it at napa. I forget the measurement.
I ended up forcing it on and getting a larger idler pulley to act as a tensioner in the place of the stock idler pulley. Works like a charm. PAIN to install though. I had to loosen the alternator and force the belt on.
I don't know what the idler pulley i used was from, it was in a box in my garage. It started slipping with the stock idler pulley after a month or so. Larger pulley pushed the back of the belt more tightening it up.
Everything still spins the right way.
I didnt notice any gains at all, but I did it because it was cheaper than a new ps pump.
Drove it this way at least 5k miles. It needs a clutch now, so it sits.
Is this for 2200 or OHV? because i only have tensioner, no idler, i know the 2200 has both, the tensioner pushes up and left(toward the PS pump which doesnt help me at all when im trying to no use it lol
I took my cat out yesterday and it was the stock one, probably from 1995, i held it up to the light and saw nothing through it...the car is deffinately louder, idk about faster
And my car isn't worth the money or time to do a swap as i only paid 500 for it, go a head and laugh but im taking the cheap way out and just lookin for some "free" hp lol
and thanks BuildNBoosted for that useful post.
95LsCoupe wrote:...I took my cat out yesterday and it was the stock one, probably from 1995, i held it up to the light and saw nothing through it...the car is deffinately louder, idk about faster...
I'm sure you have a minor HP gain but think of it this way... even a 5% increase ( and thats being generous) would only be 5.5 hp
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I thought something, would the tensioner work if i put the ribbed side on it? or its only working for the smooth side? if that works, i can rig it up with smaller belt to bypass the power steering
Dayco Belt number 5050460, sits on the edge of the tensioner, like 1mm left on the pulley on that side...doesnt look safe, but ive ripped on it hard few times and had no problems, i keep my old belt in the trunk as a just incase...ill post back if anything changes...the butt dyno does feel a slight difference without clogged cat and no ps
Mine is an '02. So "2200".
I removed the tensioner on mine.
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BuiltNBoosted wrote:the answer is no to both. you wont notice squat. just quit modding it.... you pretty much have the slowest cavalier model gm ever made...
Incorrect. 94-97 Cavaliers come with ratings of 120 for horspower and 140 for torque. Then after those were produced I think I read the 98-02's dropped the hp to 110 or 115 and 130 for torque. Therefore it isnt THE WORST engine GM has ever made and just want to state it definitely isnt THE WORST engine ever made. In my opinion its still a fun engine to have and fix up a little. Sure they may not be the fastest cars ever but they take out the simple competition like the basic civics and tegs seen everywhere. Not the GSRs though! Lol So what if we dont have twin cams, the 94-97's are worth modding to make them into fun enjoyable cars. We all own a J-body so in this situation lets just help eachother out and not crap talk.
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so in this situation lets just help eachother out and not crap talk.
This site would see zero traffic if people were not talking smack. Besides, there's obviously certain members who are allowed to tell people that modding their car is a waste and not to do it. In my opinion, it's those people who somehow have lost what modding a car really is about. Fun, learning, or a hobby (a hobby doesn't require the hobbyist to be the BEST at it).
"A car just isn't a car without a little blood, sweat, and beers." -- Shadowfire
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so in this situation lets just help eachother out and not crap talk.
This site would see zero traffic if people were not talking smack. Besides, there's obviously certain members who are allowed to tell people that modding their car is a waste and not to do it. In my opinion, it's those people who somehow have lost what modding a car really is about. Fun, learning, or a hobby (a hobby doesn't require the hobbyist to be the BEST at it).
I highly doubt this site would see "zero traffic." Who said I was telling people that they arent allowed to say what they want? Not sure where you read that but it definitely isnt in this thread. However NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY here can say what is worth modding and what isnt. As long as people support their own hobby, save up money for what they want and not depend on anybody then they can do what they damn well please. I didnt know "Not having a twin cam engine" is a rule why not to mod your car. Let the OP mod it if he wants and we should help eachother out with useful information not any nonsense that is irrelivant to a question. Either help someone when they're serious asking valid questions or GTFO. Like you said, modding a car is about "fun, learning or a hobby" and I agree to that. All Im saying is dont tell someone they cant mod their car while they're the ones paying for it and not you. 30 horsepower difference is not enough to say "your engine isnt worth it." Thats just my opinion on this situation. To the OP your question has been answered-you wont really see much in power gains.
Holy cow. I was referring to Vince (the quote you originally quoted).I was Agreeing with you pal.
And I did help.
I was also being sarcastic about zero traffic, simply because many threads get clouded with bs that contributes nothing.
My post wasn't very clear now that I read it again.
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This topic took a wrong turn, i was talking about the 95-97 2.2, not the 2.2 from 98-02, different belt diagram...Ive searched on here and someone said they dyno'd and got 6-8 hp at the wheels, i dont know. ive searched on google and honda forums say it's about 8 wheel hp for 4 cylinders, but for V8s, like 2, there's no difference because they have crazy torque. What i did was follow basically the same belt pattern, but put the ribbed side on the tensioner, driven all day with no problems although it looks off center on the tensioner. Im posting this for others to know...the belt number is Dayco 5050460 (that's with no A/C also.)
Also IMO it's kinda fun driving without the power steering, it's not as relaxing but it's not as hard as people say. After like 20mph it gets pretty easy, haven't had to make a Uturn yet lol but if anything, ive got the old belt in the trunk along with a 14mm wrench incase something happens. the pump is just bypassed, can easily go back to the way it was
I was pretty convinced that the tensioner would not work in this situation. Can you take some pics?
I'd love to see it. It would be 100x easier than calling the hulk to change the belt.
I agree on drivability. I like it more. I notice some torque steer when I nail it, but that is the turbo helping out lol. Also on ramps feel a little squirrly. Other than that it's no biggie. You'll get used to tight spaces in a heart beat.
I noticed slightly better off-boost throttle response. Other than that it pulls basically the same, but not stock.
Pics would be sweet sir!
"A car just isn't a car without a little blood, sweat, and beers." -- Shadowfire
Jay Corkit wrote:Truthfully... take the OHV out of your car, and either swap in the 2.3L, W31 (I think thats the engine code)
That engine will be a HUGE improvement over anything you can start with on the 95 2.2, AND the 95 through 97s were the only years you could easily swap that engine into
If you're set on modding what you have... then you will notice minor gain from taking the cat out... simple fact... a 17 year old cat conv would have SO much crap in it... you'd be restricting the flow of your exhaust, regardless of if you were running 4" piping from the manifold back
If it is a high flow, you wont notice much difference, so IMO it wouldn't be worth the crappy gas mileage
Does that make sense? kind of wrote in a flutter of caffeine high
It was pretty clogged, like i said i held it up to the light and saw basically nothing through it, and looking at it now, it was not high flow. and ive done a few hundred miles already, havent noticed any change in the gas mileage....just notice ALOT more popping and people told me i have shot a flame or two, nothing huge but at night u see a quick flash
Matt Linke wrote:I was pretty convinced that the tensioner would not work in this situation. Can you take some pics?
I'd love to see it. It would be 100x easier than calling the hulk to change the belt.
I agree on drivability. I like it more. I notice some torque steer when I nail it, but that is the turbo helping out lol. Also on ramps feel a little squirrly. Other than that it's no biggie. You'll get used to tight spaces in a heart beat.
I noticed slightly better off-boost throttle response. Other than that it pulls basically the same, but not stock.
Pics would be sweet sir!
Pics are up, i read somewhere that the tensioner can be used both ways, ribbed side and flat side so i just figured id try it, i got like 5 belts from advanced autozone for free (bringing back them all when im done and paying for one after) and it worked out nicely.
On ramps are pretty fun lol and above like 25mph i dont feel much difference in steering...i hateeeeee parell parking though, luckily i rarely have to do it
It looks good. I may try to use my tensioner, it's very close to the same routing.
"A car just isn't a car without a little blood, sweat, and beers." -- Shadowfire
Actually the slowest J-bodies would be the early 80's Cavalier especially if its auto. My 91 2.2 auto was probably a 20 second car, the 98 2200 5 spd I have now feels like a rocket ship compared to that but still slow. I also paid $500 for my car and the only thing I plan on doing is a cheap wai and some new tires and drive it until the transmission explodes, she whines alot now. Nice cheap basic transportation and decent circle track cars
Andrew Ruschmann wrote:Actually the slowest J-bodies would be the early 80's Cavalier especially if its auto. My 91 2.2 auto was probably a 20 second car, the 98 2200 5 spd I have now feels like a rocket ship compared to that but still slow. I also paid $500 for my car and the only thing I plan on doing is a cheap wai and some new tires and drive it until the transmission explodes, she whines alot now. Nice cheap basic transportation and decent circle track cars
I paid $500 for mine also, but I've put atleast a grand into it with fixing it and mods(mostly fixing lol) but yeah I mean, I've had the same 2.2 but with a 3 speed auto and that was like if i was dragging a house or something, atleast this one has the 5 speed.
Also to anyone saying just swap to bigger motor, I'm 20 working a terrible job, living with my parents, this is my only car that i use and need just about everyday...if i had the money/time and another daily driver, i woulda done it already, and that should go for anyone else asking about 2.2 mods
95LsCoupe wrote:Also to anyone saying just swap to bigger motor, I'm 20 working a terrible job, living with my parents, this is my only car that i use and need just about everyday...if i had the money/time and another daily driver, i woulda done it already, and that should go for anyone else asking about 2.2 mods
I have heard so many times that I should swap my motor or sell my car all together.... Now most of those people either gave up on tuning cars all together or my turbo'd 2200 would wax that @$$ lol.
Dare to be diferent and make your own path... You`ll enjoy it more.
