after having my cavy torn apart for about 3 months i decided im gonna go with the 2.2 ecotec, and i know im already gonna get the flaming and you know i could care less, im going with a complete standalone engine management system, i currently own an ss/sc so its not like im lacking of wheels,

i think this project is doable but its gonna be a month long wiring and than tuning will be a big thing too,

i found an 04 motor with 3700 kms on it, i got it for 300 cnd

now im looking for a tranny, and axles, im going to have made from a shop here near my home town, once i get my tranny, i will be begining of the mounts, i will keep a very detailed diary of the car, and maybe get some more people in doing the swap just cuz they dont wanna be like everyone else and swapping in a 3x00 motor(not dissing or anything)

but yah, any tips to ppl who may have done swaps is great,and critcism is welcome just please dont flame, as for my donor car for the motor to eb put in

its a 94 cavalier rs, wiht a gutted interior and engine bay, like stated ill keep a very good diary of the swap, it will be a long process but ill make sure to keep you guys updated

im just curious why your goin with the 4? when you could very easily drop in a six which is the whole basis of appeal of a sec gen...

why should i be like everyone else, i wanna be different, plus i have parts from my old sunfire like forged pistons and a few other thigns kicking around

Jake Hone wrote:im just curious why your goin with the 4? when you could very easily drop in a six which is the whole basis of appeal of a sec gen...

well there is more aftermarket support for the eco than the v6s

honestly if I had a 4 cylinder 2nd gen I'd do the eco swap just because



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CodeRedZ24 (aka Geeds) wrote:

Jake Hone wrote:im just curious why your goin with the 4? when you could very easily drop in a six which is the whole basis of appeal of a sec gen...

well there is more aftermarket support for the eco than the v6s

honestly if I had a 4 cylinder 2nd gen I'd do the eco swap just because

thats where i stood, i had a 4cyl and its just as much work to switch to a v6 which doesnt have near the aftermarket support

JB wrote:

CodeRedZ24 (aka Geeds) wrote:

Jake Hone wrote:im just curious why your goin with the 4? when you could very easily drop in a six which is the whole basis of appeal of a sec gen...

well there is more aftermarket support for the eco than the v6s

honestly if I had a 4 cylinder 2nd gen I'd do the eco swap just because

thats where i stood, i had a 4cyl and its just as much work to switch to a v6 which doesnt have near the aftermarket support

just too bad you cant make a 4 cylinder sound mean like a v6 or v8 thought he 5 cylinder in my truck has a deeper groan to it than a 4 cylinder



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ive actualy thought long and hard about an eco swap. i mean, whats not to like with the eco??? there is a ton of aftermarket, turbo kits, factory supercharger kits and motors, ect. the biggest issue is engine managment, and the easyest and best would be to go with a stand alone (i would go megasquirt, just cause its cheap and a decent system).

a couple things i can think of that may help you out

-use a 94 clutch master cylender. it will bolt in and should hook up to the 00+ getrag line, and should push the right volume to have the slave travel the amount needed.
-try a to use 2nd gen axles. i know all gm fwd standards and the 125 auto use the same axle seals, there is a chance the splines are the same size and a stock 2 gen axle will work out.
-check out the mounts on a 92+ quad 4 beretta. the front mount is simular to the 3rd gen j and may be usable. same with the tranny mounts, the brackets may be usable as they fit in on a quad 4 swap. for the dogbone, a beretta passender side frame may work for you, as the beretta has the brackets on it for the dogbone.
-use the shifter and cables from the 00+ getrag, shouldnt be hard to put em in.

thanks sharkey, yah i just think itll be the ebst swap for me it will take time and yah im thinking megaquirt as well my only concern is sensors, but i guess going full standalone i really dont need to run all the sensors they normally run

I was just wondering yesterday if this swap was possible. Gonna be keeping an eye on your progress to see how it goes. I might go ahead with this swap into my first gen.


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Kuntry wrote:I was just wondering yesterday if this swap was possible. Gonna be keeping an eye on your progress to see how it goes. I might go ahead with this swap into my first gen.

anything is possible just needs on if you have the cash to do it



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CodeRedZ24 (aka Geeds) wrote:
just too bad you cant make a 4 cylinder sound mean like a v6 or v8 thought he 5 cylinder in my truck has a deeper groan to it than a 4 cylinder

Sure you can make a 4 cyl sound mean. Have you forgetten Doomie's rumble already?

CodeRedZ24 (aka Geeds) wrote:

Kuntry wrote:I was just wondering yesterday if this swap was possible. Gonna be keeping an eye on your progress to see how it goes. I might go ahead with this swap into my first gen.

anything is possible just needs on if you have the cash to do it

in my case its actually time got myself a line on my motor for cheap, 300 cnd, tranny partialy built is a 1000(so long as i come up with the cash sooner over later), and than its the tuning set-up which is about 700(mega-squirt), than a lot of custom fabing like motor mounts and custom dash, and roll cage this is a full out build of the car cuz than all i have to worry about afterwards is building up the motor some more, the motor can be pulled easily and reinstalled easily body work and custom interior work takes all the time



but yah, ill be rippping the cavy down to nothing this week ill get pics, and than the motor swap begins

well got some work done tonight got the whole car gutted of wiring as all of it bassically useless, gonna have to sorta figrue out a set-up, its gonna be a long haul blechh, dash is out, carpet is gone, plasitc is gone, shes all metal, cut the hole swhere (speaker rack) the roll cage will connect with my new independent rear suspension via the strut mounts, got my gas tank half dropped. time to remove everythign from the trunk soon shall be a gooder, ill get pics soon

I had thought about doing something like this with my old bird before it was wreaked in the front end <subframe was crushed by a bus > the one thing i was looking at was keeping the orginal dash im not totally sure how that would have worked. the other thing is with the eco there are no rev limiters either right or am i mistaken. keep the posts coming and pics when you have time to post them i want something to think about.

well, factory computer has a rev limiter, but with a stand alone, you set it were you want. running the stock gauge cluster wouldnt be that hard, you just need to know the pinouts of the cluster and you can hook them all up to the sensors on the eco, as gm hasnt changed resistance values of sensors like water temp and oil pressure. your fuel gauge would be run as normal, same with volts, only tricky thing is the speedo. the eco tranny uses an electronic only speedo, so if you have a cable, you need a speedo driver.

yah im going with a complete new dahs all together the car is gutted no more wiring nothing its sorta scary, actually really really scary lol

I wanted to do this swap at least 6 months ago, but too many projects and too little time made it impossible. I hope it works for ya.

I would probably use a factory ecm. It's just as tunable as aftermarket, and replacements are usually cheaper if something breaks on a weekend.

The Eco engine uses a little different ignition setup than the 2nd gen J. For the Eco, the pcm actually turns each coil on and off using dedicated circuits. The Eco ignition module actually creates a cam position pulse by measuring the voltage on the 2 sides of one of the waste spark coils when they're firing and determines which of the two cylinders is on compression. Pretty kewl, but not helpful at all. The solution I would use would be to grab a module from the Saturn engine from about 1999. This module is wired like the DIS module we're familiar with on 2nd gen J cars.

Good luck.
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or if you want to ditch the power steering you can just run a distributor, msd makes one for the eco. there also is a way to wire in a dis 2 and run the gm coils like a 2.2l would.