I have the FE2 suspension in my car which means 22mm front sway bar. I'm riding on eibach pro-kit and KYG AGX with current settings set at 3 front and 5 rear. Looking for a neutral ride that takes corners good. What would you people suggest for a rear sway bar? I dont understand the over steer and understeer stuff. So any help would be appriciated.
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If you try to turn and the car just skids in a straight line intead of following the front tires, that's understeer. This is the usual scenario on a FWD car. If instead your tail slides and you start to spin out, that's oversteer. A stiffer rear will encourage oversteer. Any good anti-sway bar will help a great deal, and you can still fine-tune with your AGX settings if needed. I run an Addco rear bar without any front bar, and the mismatch is still managable with my D-Spec adjustments.
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Go with the addco rear sway bar 22" because that's what I got intalled on my car and I also got FE2 suspension.
It's pretty easy to install also and it's worth the money too.
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Or the Progress 22mm.
Either/or will do the trick.
I'm a fan of the Addco bars myself
I will look into the addco or the progress bar. Thanks for the suggestions.
I took a look on the gravanatuning.com website and they only list the 1" rear sway bar for the addco. Where do they make a 22mm?
if im not mistaken the addco 1" is the biggest one we can get for our cars. i dont know the conversion table for it, but i THINK 22mm is 1inch, i could be wrong though.
NeoJuice wrote:I took a look on the gravanatuning.com website and they only list the 1" rear sway bar for the addco. Where do they make a 22mm?
I don't believe they do. The 25.4mm / 1" bar is what I have, and I don't think Addco does a J-body bar in other sizes. I got mine on eBay
from Never Enough Auto. It came in black instead of the color pictured, but I was still happy.
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geeky, ive noticed my addco is a serious heavy chunk of metal... did it slow your car down at all after installation?
mine came in the gold
i wish i got a black.
Would the 1" rear bar be to big for my 22mm front? What kind of problems would this cause? Oversteer? Understeer?
z yaaaa wrote:geeky, ive noticed my addco is a serious heavy chunk of metal... did it slow your car down at all after installation?
mine came in the gold i wish i got a black.
I'm driving a 10-year-old Cavy with 2.2 OHV that just passed the 100k mile mark, with leather seats and 18" boat anchor wheels, and you want me to tell you if a 10lb sway bar is slowing down my car?
Seriously... what I noticed was tighter and more predictable response in cornering. I'm not in any competitions where I can find out if I'm gained or lost a few tenths, so that's about all I can comment on. Luckily, J-bodies are pretty peppy off the line so I'm not suffering from the added weight in every day driving. If I wanted something that dosn't struggle to get to 100mph, or lose the ability to pass other cars when I turn on the air conditioning, I've got the wrong car.
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you have the wrong car anyway!!! lmao ohhh 2.2 OHV BOOOOOO
sorry man, im a concerned 'added weight' jockey when it comes to my car
NeoJuice wrote:Would the 1" rear bar be to big for my 22mm front? What kind of problems would this cause? Oversteer? Understeer?
That should result in a slightly stiffer rear, which is actually a good balance for our cars. A bit of controllable rear sliding at the limit ("oversteer") would help to get the car pointed where you want it to go during extreme corning. As I said, you can also make some adjustment through strut firmness.
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I got my with the GP with Never Enough Auto, mine was the gold color one...I don't know if they changed them at all but mine was the 22mm/1" one and I love it. It was worth every penny...Now I just have to save up to lower my car and i'll be good.....for awhile.
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[quote=redrider02mine was the 22mm/1" one and I love it.
Just to clarify, 1" is 25.4mm. A bar measuring 22mm would be slightly smaller, which is why NeoJuice was asking if the size difference would cause problems. I don't think it would.
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Not sure if anyone is up on suspension theory but in most applications for neutral handling with no oversteer or understeer, you generally want the front bar bigger than the rear bar.
Eibach has the 25mm front and 22mm rear bar for a reason, It's proportional.
If you're running the 22mm factory front bar, add a set of poly bushings to the endlinks by Suspension techniques and some good 22mm D bushings from the same company. This will help your turn in alot and replace those wore out stock bushings.
If you truly want a neutral handling car with your stock 22mm front bar, get the Hellwig rear bar. It's 19mm in size and is the perfect setup for stock front bar.
Those with the Addco rear bars that are larger than front bar are getting into an oversteer situation with the bigger rear bar and if that is what they like, so be it.
When the rains come and they have to make that evasive maneuver on the Interstate, things could get out of hand.
There should be a FAQs on this subject that Event wrote up a few years back.
Very informative for those wanting to know more about suspension theory and how to setup your suspension.
Also, Sport Compact Car has several articles on their website that you can read and is called "how to make it stick".
Some of the same analogies I've said are on their informative threads.
Let the arguments begin.
Btw, I've been running the 22mm stock bar with full poly bushings and Hellwig with rear tie bar for years and enjoy incredible handling with the stock springs/ struts.
Very neutral handling with no push or tail happy encounters.
I'm in the process of upgrading to the Eibach bars which are sitting in my storage for even better handling. Now if I can find the time to install it.
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Thank you Dave and JBO! 
That's good information, Misnblu. Was honestly making some assumptions in my info, since I've never really had the chance to really throw my car into a corner and "break it loose", so to speak. It's entirely possible I'm in for a surprise since I've got nothing on the front to balance my rear Addco. My car would probably get really tail-happy.
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i think the addco front matches the rear at 1" doesnt it? so would that be ok misnblu? i know its not the best as you described, but i would think its better than a stock front bar and an addco rear used together.
The setup that Addco sells is a 1inch front and a 1inch rear.
When Never enough had the group buy with this bar combination, I almost took it.
But, the better of me negotiated a deal with Brad to get the Eibachs instead for the same price.
So now I have the Eibachs but alas, still sitting in the box, waiting for the installation along with Prolines, aluminum control arms, and KYB struts..
The other thing to remember is that if you go too big of a rear bar, you start to lose some of the independance of the rear end. You then basically have a more solid rear with limited twisting motion for the suspension to do it's thing when things get nasty around a bumpy corner.
I'm not knocking Addco for their setup and is actually a pretty good suspension when hooked up with a good set of springs and struts.
The little bit of oversteer with the Addco setup is controllable for most if they desire to take it to that edge.
For autocrossing, the Addco may be more the ideal setup for those quick turns you have to make and that little bit of extra rear slide may be what gives you the win, especially when trail throttle braking around turns.
But I prefer a very neutral ride and cornering.
Hitting the offramps at speed and no squeal from the tires or push from the car is exhilerating, especially when they're the decreasing radius turns.
Oh and the answer is yes Zyaaaa. You'll like the setup and handling that is offered by Addco.
I had Addco front and rear bars on my '83 Honda Civic and that thing would handle superbly, especially with the Tokico low pressure nitrogen filled struts along with the Jackson Racing springs I had for the car. It was nuts for back in the mid '80's.
Geeky, hit the junkyard and get a swaybar for that ride. Not sure of your entire setup but some good chassis stiffening would be ideal too.
Good luck.
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Thank you Dave and JBO!
well, tell me if my suspension will be good enough to use with the addcos...
koni yellow struts
eibach sportline springs
rk sport subframe brace
megan racing front strut tower brace (ebay)
'no name' rear strut tower brace (ebay)
n body aluminum a-arms with prothane bushings
monroe rear strut mounts
monroe front strut bearing plates
and i already have an addco rear bar and a 'no name' rear tie bar but i want to buy the black rear addco insted and save the gold one for my 97z. as well as buy the front addco.
sound ok to get the addco's?
You should be more than set to have a great handling car.
Keep it, enjoy it and let everyone know how it handles.
*looks into the future and sees a big smile on zyaaaa's face*
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Thank you Dave and JBO!
