I am looking to do a moderate upgrade on my braking system on my 2005 Cav. Here is what I am looking to do, new slotted rotors, new pads, reman calipers, new drums, new shoes, stainless brake likes and fluid. I was hoping for some advice on rotors to get and pads and lines, I want better performance and a firmer pedal but I don't want to go to a big brake kit just original size to replace factory setup. Also if anyone has any other advice for other things to check or replace when doing a "full" brake job please let me know your opinion or ideas. Help me with some rotor and pad combos and maybe a good site to get the whole setup minus the calipers (I plan to get at the auto parts store). I am hoping to stay under $300 for rotors, pads and all 4 braided lines. I found a site in the past that had packages of rotors, pads and lines for around that price, but i cant seem to find it now. Let me know your advice and opinions!!!!! Thnx - Ryan
Carbotec pads and drum shoes. Some decent rotors that arent cross drilled and not from (insert auto parts store here). Use high quality DOT3/4 brake fluid, some sort of racing fluid, the good one is blue and the name is escaping me. Oh and if you have aftermarket rims you may be able to fit some wilwood calipers that work with the stock brake size, might be able to find direct bolt on ones, or just buy the kit from OEM.
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Power slot cryo treated rotors with Hawk Pads are my recommendation
Can someone provide me a good website or a few to purchase rotors, pads, stainless lines and possibly willwood stock replacement calipers? Also should I turn my current drums or just go with new ones?
Ryan Shaw wrote:possibly willwood stock replacement calipers?
They are not made. The only way to get better calipers is to buy a big brake kit.
its an old concept. time for something new to take the reigns. - Z yaaaa
or you could look at the nwf brake setup that's outlined in the sticky's at the top of the forum. slightly bigger brakes with better calipers for less $$ than an aftermarket brake kit.
if you're going to replace the shoes, you might want to replace the drums too (or at least have them turned)
Tinkles wrote:Ryan Shaw wrote:possibly willwood stock replacement calipers?
They are not made. The only way to get better calipers is to buy a big brake kit.
There's OEM's setup. I dont believe thats a big brake setup, at the very least it fits 16" wheels.
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So I have been looking at rotors and I have been told the Cryo-Power Slots are great, but I am wondering if they are worth the extra price and if I will get a longer life out of them as compared to the regular power slot rotors. Also what pads should I use with either of them? Lastly I found the powerstop rotor and pad combo for about $168 for the front setup and I am wondering if they are any good. For some information, this is a daily driver that I want better rotors and pads on as I have had trouble in the past with the pulsing in the pedal and have had some fading in the brakes in the summer as well and I just want a better quality system but nothing extreme.
Wow, that pad rotor combo cost less than just the pads I suggested. Either the pads are junk our is a super deal. Make sure you bed the brakes right too, if you don't do that there was no point in doing anything else you did.
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Ok I think I am going with the following, please advise.
Hawk HPS pads. Or should i get the hawk ceramic pads?
Power slot rotors. I want the cryo rotors but the extra $70 is it worth it?????
Russel Braided Lines. Jegs - $84.99
Trying to track down drums and shoes for the rear still, does anyone know of a decent cost effective brand?
Also Doing E3 Spark Plugs.
Ryan Shaw wrote:Ok I think I am going with the following, please advise.
Hawk HPS pads. Or should i get the hawk ceramic pads?
Power slot rotors. I want the cryo rotors but the extra $70 is it worth it?????
Russel Braided Lines. Jegs - $84.99
Trying to track down drums and shoes for the rear still, does anyone know of a decent cost effective brand?
Also Doing E3 Spark Plugs.
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those spark plugs are junk
Skip the E3 plugs.
Drums and shoes, you wont find performance drums, at least I havent. And the only performance shoes I've found are carbotec. And honestly its like 180 for the shoes then I'd guess 40 for stock replacement drums, that almost as much as some people have done neon swaps for.
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yeah i am also about to order my Hawk HPS pads and powerslot cryos.
Same dilemma with drums and shoes.
Everyone gives it the thumbs up so i will give it a whirl also
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Darkstars wrote:Power slot cryo treated rotors with Hawk Pads are my recommendation
Just did the HPS Hawk Pads and Power Slot Cryo rotors on the wife's Mazda 3. Great upgrade.
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BuiltNBoosted wrote:-Z Yaaaa- wrote:whats the difference between the powerslots and an ebay set that you send to get cryo treated? well, besides like 150 dollars.
Better material make up. Better quality. Cryotreated vs guessing whats done to them on ebay.
proof that they have better material make up and are better quality?
and no guessing when you send them in to get cryo'd LOL
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I've run eBay rotors plenty of times and OEM rotors and they wear out the same. Also have run drilled and slotted plenty of times also. They do stop quicker but use up your pad quicker too.
Zs Z wrote:I've run eBay rotors plenty of times and OEM rotors and they wear out the same. Also have run drilled and slotted plenty of times also. They do stop quicker but use up your pad quicker too.
Spot on. However in Vince's defense cheapers drilled or dimpled rotors tend to crack bad around the edges, so I, PERSONALLY have always stayed on the slotted side. At work we are using this new brand called Mighty (basically one step up from autozone/advance) and they have a chart of material testing between china rotors and the mighty rotors (american made I believe). Our's are have higher standards, my point being I am assuming the ebay rotors are the "base model" if you will of rotors and may not stand up to repeated high speed braking
I have OEM Wagner rotors and hawk pads and very happy with them, if you want to spend more on rotors, I'd go with powerslots. I'd just keep rear drums stock, fronts do most of the braking anyways. If you are concerned though, look into rear disc swaps then but you would benefit more from better front brakes.
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Yes I have experienced cracking with all 3 types of rotors mentioned above but I did get my miles worth out of them. Apparently I'm tough on brakes though haha.
Phillip Gruver wrote:Zs Z wrote:I've run eBay rotors plenty of times and OEM rotors and they wear out the same. Also have run drilled and slotted plenty of times also. They do stop quicker but use up your pad quicker too.
Spot on. However in Vince's defense cheapers drilled or dimpled rotors tend to crack bad around the edges, so I, PERSONALLY have always stayed on the slotted side. At work we are using this new brand called Mighty (basically one step up from autozone/advance) and they have a chart of material testing between china rotors and the mighty rotors (american made I believe). Our's are have higher standards, my point being I am assuming the ebay rotors are the "base model" if you will of rotors and may not stand up to repeated high speed braking
im right there in agreeance with both you AND vince in this instance. however... for around $30 bucks you can send those "base model" rotors off to get cryotreated and they can last longer than without cryo and save yourself a good chunk of change versus the name brand stuff.
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i wonder if anyone knows you can buy hawk pads from pepboys for 18 bucks
