i have a set im looking to install. my question is what are the negative affects of running them un moded. i know it can produce camber but is really enough to be considered dangerous im looking install them on a 03 sedan. id rather be safe then so any input will be appreciated thanks

Listening...

iirc someone said it gives you about 1.5 deg unmodded.

I'm running unmodded alum arms, and it threw off my toe really bad. (this is to be expected)

I dialed some of the camber out with my setup, but my pillowballs are still set in the center. I do have quite a bit of negative camber going on, but not sure of the actual measurement (I haven't put my fasttracks on yet to measure)





be sure to adjust your toe accordingly, and worry about the camber later. toe is WAY more important in terms of steering feel, response, and tire wear.
your car will feel MASSIVELY messed up with the wrong toe setting.

^Just a simple alignment will fix that no?

Philly D wrote:^Just a simple alignment will fix that no?

yup.

just don't think you can throw these on and go for a cruise. You will have to adjust the toe BEFORE driving the car. it's going to be way out of wack.

you can eye-ball it... basically, since the ca's are longer, the tie rods need to be extended on both sides an even amount.


if you leave it, you'll have extreme toe-out, and the car will be extremely darty, unstable, and the tires will probably drag and squeal because they technically won't be pointed straight.

you don't need to do anything special with the tierods, just adjust your toe back to normal and everything will be fine.

you're ok driving in like a neighborhood or something to get the rough settings right until you take it to an alignment shop.

by extended..redrill the holes they mount in, its that simple?
misnblu's approach was to leave the tie rods stock and mod the CA's..i guess its whatever is preferred..obvisouly this method is much simpler of a fix/mod.

pics of adjusted tie rods/locations?


04 Cav. 2dr. 5spd. My DD. 'Nuff said.

blu04DD wrote:by extended..redrill the holes they mount in, its that simple?
misnblu's approach was to leave the tie rods stock and mod the CA's..i guess its whatever is preferred..obvisouly this method is much simpler of a fix/mod.

pics of adjusted tie rods/locations?

To extend the tie rods all you do is screw them out......no drilling or anything. Thats how toe is adjusted.

People mod the control arms to be within stock specs since it will add camber

Yea, i forgot about the toe. Mine was WAYYYY out too. I eyeballed it in the garage and then the 1st trip with the car was to the alignment shop.

Philly D wrote:

blu04DD wrote:by extended..redrill the holes they mount in, its that simple?
misnblu's approach was to leave the tie rods stock and mod the CA's..i guess its whatever is preferred..obvisouly this method is much simpler of a fix/mod.

pics of adjusted tie rods/locations?

To extend the tie rods all you do is screw them out......no drilling or anything. Thats how toe is adjusted.

People mod the control arms to be within stock specs since it will add camber

Yep. The "modding" was done so your suspension geometry/settings were not affected.
Toe is adjusted by screwing/unscrewing your outter tie rods.

Im going to run mine un modded since I want a little negative camber1.5-2* shouldnt be bad.

I'll be running mine unmodded. When I first got my teins I had a lot of camber on the car and it handled amazingly. I changed the camber when I was fixing a tire noise issue and the war was much less responsive.

blu04DD wrote:by extended..redrill the holes they mount in, its that simple?
misnblu's approach was to leave the tie rods stock and mod the CA's..i guess its whatever is preferred..obvisouly this method is much simpler of a fix/mod.

pics of adjusted tie rods/locations?

adjust your tie rods... you know... like you're aligning the car...?

loosen jam nut. adjust the tie rod (lefty loosey (aka expand) righty tighty (aka retract)). tighten jam nut.

yeah I was thinking of something totally different in my mind lol...thats easy enough adjusting them.
so the adjustment of the tie rod fixes the toe issue, then once you've gotten that down you take it in for an alignment and that resolves your camber issue. And now you've got unmodded CA's installed.

Sounds easy enough to me!


04 Cav. 2dr. 5spd. My DD. 'Nuff said.

i used them on my car for over 3 years with no alignment done. it was easy to drive. not a danger pit like daflyingsqwirl makes out to be. i used my tein's to get the camber close.

Paul Tjepkes (N/A MADNESS) wrote:i used them on my car for over 3 years with no alignment done. it was easy to drive. not a danger pit like daflyingsqwirl makes out to be. i used my tein's to get the camber close.

So you bolted these on and never aligned your car at all?
Never adjusted your tie rods?

Because i call bs.

You're increasing your width by a half inch on both sides. All I'm saying is you can't just bolt these on and go, you NEED to adjust the tierods back to spec.

Unmodded ca's aren't dangerous at all. I've been running them on my dd for two years.






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DaFlyinSkwirl (Pj) v2.0 wrote:

Paul Tjepkes (N/A MADNESS) wrote:i used them on my car for over 3 years with no alignment done. it was easy to drive. not a danger pit like daflyingsqwirl makes out to be. i used my tein's to get the camber close.

So you bolted these on and never aligned your car at all?
Never adjusted your tie rods?

Because i call bs.

You're increasing your width by a half inch on both sides. All I'm saying is you can't just bolt these on and go, you NEED to adjust the tierods back to spec.

Unmodded ca's aren't dangerous at all. I've been running them on my dd for two years.

no i did but its not hard to unscrew them to where they work. i meant i never had it aligned on a rack. from the way i read it you made it sound like unless you have it aligned perfectly its going to kill baby jesus. lol

Joe (RedCavalac) ran unmodded GA CAs for awhile. He said they made his track wider in the front which I guess should be expected. So if youre running tight on fitment with your wheels its something to keep in mind.

Brian (TheSundownFire) wrote:So if youre running tight on fitment with your wheels its something to keep in mind.

Yep.
My wheels/tires. 18x7.5 35mm offset, 225/40R18s, and no spacers. I am almost flush with my toyo fenders.



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Tinkles(KGM) wrote:

Brian (TheSundownFire) wrote:So if youre running tight on fitment with your wheels its something to keep in mind.

Yep.
My wheels/tires. 18x7.5 35mm offset, 225/40R18s, and no spacers. I am almost flush with my toyo fenders.

we still need to throw my fn01rc's on your car to see if they will fit under the fenders...

Well i am going to be living alittle closer to you, so bring one over if you get time to stop in.