so it's pretty much set in stone that going with the ebay coilovers are a bad idea. but still there are a few that have had a good experince. the reason I bring this up is becuase I am planning on grabing strutts from an old cav and droping the car with the ebay coils to see what happens if they blow they blow and ive wasted a few dollars. my queston to you is what do you think of this idea and more importantly what different year struts will swap to an 04 cav.
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so it's pretty much set in stone that going with the ebay coilovers are a bad idea
Let's leave it at that.
Jay
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well, first it's a god awful idea, it's not bad just because you'll break things, but because it's dangerous to you, your passengers and the other people on the road, this is because it's possible to lose control of your car this way. the few that have had a "good experience" are numb skulls who don't realize that the uncomfortable bouncy feeling isn't safe, and that everyone who sees them bounce up and down on their blown struts thinks they are retarded
secondly, any third gen struts will swap to an '04, it's been posted alot, often, many times, the search button is your friend.
im not even going to comment on something so dumb. you know ebay coils suck. i guess you just HAVE to find out first hand
Im not sure how to reply to this. other thatn I feel like I need some burn ointment. it was more of an idea that I had while I was in school. ok so what exaclty makes the coils so bad and if they are why is it that people keep leaving good reports. I knwo what a @!#$y ride feels like and if it happens ill just slap on the stock ones. ive heard that the reason is that they are for other cars and then modified to fit ours. but what bothers me is there so riduclsy cheap that it wouldn't hurt my wallet any to try it out. now I could be wrong but installing the coils and slowly testing them out with light driving and compresing them up and down is that really that bad for anything else then the shocks. I mean unless the seller flat out lies and gives me the compleatly wrong product I shouldn't be in to much trouble.
I no it's fun to step on new and potenially horriable ideas, but im still trying to figure out why this won't work. what is everyone so against besdies the fact that I might just waist my time?
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Jcavi wrote:Im not sure how to reply to this. other thatn I feel like I need some burn ointment. it was more of an idea that I had while I was in school. ok so what exaclty makes the coils so bad and if they are why is it that people keep leaving good reports. I knwo what a @!#$y ride feels like and if it happens ill just slap on the stock ones. ive heard that the reason is that they are for other cars and then modified to fit ours. but what bothers me is there so riduclsy cheap that it wouldn't hurt my wallet any to try it out. now I could be wrong but installing the coils and slowly testing them out with light driving and compresing them up and down is that really that bad for anything else then the shocks. I mean unless the seller flat out lies and gives me the compleatly wrong product I shouldn't be in to much trouble.
I no it's fun to step on new and potenially horriable ideas, but im still trying to figure out why this won't work. what is everyone so against besdies the fact that I might just waist my time?
basically i just sat back and watched to see how this was gonna turn out......
read the FAQ on section 6 on coilovers, near the bottom of the section click and read the first link...
no one modified them, they simply DO NOT come with all parts needed for a proper install.
it would be like me selling you a dump truck engine for your car, then saying its made for it...
sure you can install one, but if i dont give you the necessary parts, brackets, wiring to install one, would you STILL attempt to bolt it in using existing equipment????
they;re so cheap cause they dont come with nearly HALF the parts....
for every cavalier owner that says they are so good, i can garundamntee anyone that those are the same people who post on here asking why after they installed coilovers, theirs all this noise, clicking and popping, or why they hear a thumping noise in their cv joints...
take time and search through the posts, theres plenty there
6) Coilover Choices
Now on to coilovers, this section will be relatively short as I have already covered this. Instead there are 2 links posted that will reference you to information on what to look for and what not to look for.
***Once again courtesy of Bearsfan (Jerry A)***
Coil-Over Choices
1- AroSpeed - - - (Cheap Ebay Crap or CEC)
2- APC "Next Level" - - - (CEC)
3- Ground Control - - - (Best bang for the Buck get w/ Konis)
4- HMS CoilOvers - - - (Need Info & Input)
5- HP CoilOvers - - - (CEC)
6- MantaPart CoilOvers - - - (Decent choice)
7- Number 1 CoilOvers - - - (Need Info & Input)
8- RK Coilovers - - - (Similar to Ground Control, but use H&R springs)
9- Skunk2 Coilovers - - - (Not too bad, but still missing critical parts, better choices)
10- Spring Tech "Blue Line" - - - (CEC)
11- Tsudo Coilovers - - - (CEC)
12- Weapon-R "Circuit Pro" - - - (Not Much Info, but bad Info)
13- EBAY COILOVERS read the next link......
READ info on coilovers to find out whats DECENT and whats CRAP:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041105143649/www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=3&i=49870&t=40664
READ additional info on lowering at all, especially on coilovers and rksport full coilovers listed:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040506084207/http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=3&i=46968&t=43234
I would higly advise that you def read the first and second post in full. It will save you headaches in the long run and you wont screw up your ride by being cheap or simply not knowing.
A few combos of note in the spring & strut/ full coilover area are
***Once again courtesy of Bearsfan (Jerry A)***
Complete Coil-Over/ Spring & Strut Combos
1- RKSport "Pro-Street CoilOver" - - - (Very Good Choice)
2- MantaPart Sport Strut Coil-Over - - - (Very good Choice)
3- Bilstein Coil-Over Package - - - (Bilsteins, What Else can You Say)
4- Koni Red or Yellows w/ Eibach Springs via Highrevmotorsports - - - (Very Popular & Satisfying Combo)
5-Tokico D Spec Struts w/ Spring via Gravana Tuning - - - (Very Good Choice)
6- Koni Yellows w/ 1 inch front springs and 1.75 rear springs (Very Good Choice) --Gravanatuning.com and highrevmotorsports.com should have these..
7-Gravana Tuning Full 30+ way and Dual stage Loweing Coilovers (Soon to come out, but will prob be one if not THEE most adjustable coilovers for these cars)
8-Tein Basic Coilovers (Recently Came out)
9- KW coilovers Variants 1 and 2 (still yet to be released)
" have you gone and smoked yourself retarted ? "
It's dangerous, you could potentially lose control of your car at speed what more do you need? People leave good reports because they don't know what they are talking about.
IT'S DANGEROUS
I can understand wanting to try something that might work and it's cheap. but if you ignore the fact that it potentially endangers you and others, you need to be shot
Im not sure why I keep persisting because this post is making me feel like a newb. (shuuders at the thought) ok so far I ve establised that the coilovers are bad becuase they potentionaly dont come with everything. ok fair enough. well if there is no alternitve way then I guess that ends this project.
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the spring rate is a "bit" to high for the J's also you will need the bearings (search theres some place selling those) and dont even try to put them on stock struts, i give them a maximum of 2 days untill they blow out! just get a set of koni or tokico Dspec!
First of all I dont think anyone should have replied to this unless if they had the experiance with them also everytime u lower ur car u have a bouncy ride anyways no matter which way u look at it lowering ur car is bad for ur suspension unless u have the full coil kit
ZFATALJ wrote:First of all I dont think anyone should have replied to this unless if they had the experiance with them also everytime u lower ur car u have a bouncy ride anyways no matter which way u look at it lowering ur car is bad for ur suspension unless u have the full coil kit
Eh?
I have lots of experience with lowered cars... and my Eibach Pro-Kit with Koni Red struts DOES NOT BOUNCE. It rides pretty much like stock... but handles way better.
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ZFATALJ wrote:First of all I dont think anyone should have replied to this unless if they had the experiance with them also everytime u lower ur car u have a bouncy ride anyways no matter which way u look at it lowering ur car is bad for ur suspension unless u have the full coil kit
I have some experience with those coil-overs. I had a set (never put them on the car mind you) and the blown struts that they were on. I rode in a car with them. I compared them to stock springs. I also threw a pro-kit on my stock struts and that didn't feel right either. So, I don't think you should have jumped to conclusions. Plus I think your statement about "everytime you lower your car..." isn't correct. If you lower your car PROPERLY with appropriate struts then you will not get a bouncy feeling. You do not need a "full coil kit" like the Teins I have.
Cherub (AZ) wrote:ZFATALJ wrote:First of all I dont think anyone should have replied to this unless if they had the experiance with them also everytime u lower ur car u have a bouncy ride anyways no matter which way u look at it lowering ur car is bad for ur suspension unless u have the full coil kit
I have some experience with those coil-overs. I had a set (never put them on the car mind you) and the blown struts that they were on. I rode in a car with them. I compared them to stock springs. I also threw a pro-kit on my stock struts and that didn't feel right either. So, I don't think you should have jumped to conclusions. Plus I think your statement about "everytime you lower your car..." isn't correct. If you lower your car PROPERLY with appropriate struts then you will not get a bouncy feeling. You do not need a "full coil kit" like the Teins I have.
Ok forgot to mention what u and lenko have stated If you lower your car PROPERLY with appropriate struts then you will not get a bouncy feeling. but i am right no matter what springs u get ur always gonna get a bouncy ride unless u lower it properly ive been in plenty of lowered cars and those rides suck the worst experiance was in my friends 03 he has sprints boy those suck and jcavi will find out what u guys are talking about everyones curious. peace
wow it was just an idea I thought would work.
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no bouncin gonnin on here man, and compared to the same drop on stock, it IS night and day. on stock your a bobble head, with the Yellows on the same good springs, the car is smooth and aggressive.
