has anyone heard of these or used them. i stumbled across it on ebay.
EBAY LINK I am not buying it, just curious about it.
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WhiteCav01 wrote:has anyone heard of these or used them. i stumbled across it on ebay.
EBAY LINK I am not buying it, just curious about it.
seen em, but not convinvced,.....
really...what EXACTLY are you bracing. what force is applied to the sides of the vehicle????
not a single chassis shop in local PA, MD, or even as far as VA could answer that besides another show piece for cars. so far i tend to agree with em, cause if your floor flexes that much, then you prob shouldnt be driving the car.
a brace usually braces two points from flexing in. this really isnt bracing much anything. maybe a place to mount racing seat belts, but even then that should be higher up on a bar around shoulder level.
Michael Ferrari had one of those...not that exact one but he had one
and they arent meant for mounting seat belts to.... in fact they warn against it
^^ i know that one says you can mount your seat belt to it but the one michael ferrari had warned against it
I agree with event. Not worth much IMHO.
well i wasn't planning on buying it. I was just wondering what they would brace, and if it worked. It didn't look like it would do much, but i am very new to the different ways of makeing a car handle better. I thought it might have been something i haven't heard of.
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Just something to get you to spend your money on ,,,it is not a solid tube so it will flex more then your car . at least your car is welded together and not just put together with a couple of self tapping screws ...
Robert (intimidator) wrote:Just something to get you to spend your money on ,,,it is not a solid tube so it will flex more then your car . at least your car is welded together and not just put together with a couple of self tapping screws ...
just because its not a solid tube doesnt mean it will flex....
where did you get that idea?
think about ALL the applications where tubes that arent solid are used in precision applications.
4 link bars on big trucks and monster trucks
sprint cars/oval outlaws
panhard bars on cars
you dont need to a solid tube to prevent flex when you have a jam nut and a connecting piece. only way flex will occur is if you install it incorrectly and dont tighten things...
I have one and it serves its purpose: to REALLY ANNOY my backseat passengers.
And it's annodized red, I may get another. Woo hoo.
I have it mounted with the seatbelt screw.
But what's life without riskes.
As far as bracing, no effect. The sway and strut bars do that.
-M
Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.
i have that floor bar and front and back struts bars..... i didn't think i would notice anything and i was right
but the fact is it doesn't hurt anything other than your 1/4 time for increaseing your car structural integrity....... get that bar the strut bars sway bars back and front and the sub frame brace and your set!!!!!
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:Robert (intimidator) wrote:Just something to get you to spend your money on ,,,it is not a solid tube so it will flex more then your car . at least your car is welded together and not just put together with a couple of self tapping screws ...
just because its not a solid tube doesnt mean it will flex....
where did you get that idea?
think about ALL the applications where tubes that arent solid are used in precision applications.
4 link bars on big trucks and monster trucks
sprint cars/oval outlaws
panhard bars on cars
you dont need to a solid tube to prevent flex when you have a jam nut and a connecting piece. only way flex will occur is if you install it incorrectly and dont tighten things...
What I was saying is its multi piece, so it's weak in the middle where the two pipes come together,, was not saying a solid bar, It just needs to be one piece to work the best
I think its aluminum.
Stroking the bar right now jus tnow after the bootleg 'hyper grounding' I just did.
Still though,
My Z24 turned Honda CRX had an aluminum rear tie bar and it held up, so the metal can't be too bad for some stuff.
-M
Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.
Robert (intimidator) wrote:Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:Robert (intimidator) wrote:Just something to get you to spend your money on ,,,it is not a solid tube so it will flex more then your car . at least your car is welded together and not just put together with a couple of self tapping screws ...
just because its not a solid tube doesnt mean it will flex....
where did you get that idea?
think about ALL the applications where tubes that arent solid are used in precision applications.
4 link bars on big trucks and monster trucks
sprint cars/oval outlaws
panhard bars on cars
you dont need to a solid tube to prevent flex when you have a jam nut and a connecting piece. only way flex will occur is if you install it incorrectly and dont tighten things...
What I was saying is its multi piece, so it's weak in the middle where the two pipes come together,, was not saying a solid bar, It just needs to be one piece to work the best
it doesnt...
when a jam nut is jammed against the threads on the sides, the bar is one piece...
so like said, things dont have to be one piece unless you just install it incorrectly. thats what jam nuts are for, to jam against the thread and bar, and make it one piece, which can offer adjustability, which is the same exact examples i gave on the three examples above.
none of the "work the best"stuff... it will work the exact same if you install it correctly
its the same concept as tie rods and the jam nut there. our steering would be sloppy as its the same design, we dont have one piece tie rods because jam nuts make multiple pieces function the exact same as one solid piece.
^^^ Your funny ,, a tie rod is not any way like that floor bar ,, the floor bar has a smaller pipe that fits into the outer pipe and a colar with a small alen screw to lock it down ,,, UNLIKE a tie rod that the rod screws into the tie rod and the nut is like you say a jam nut , it does nothing other then locking down the adjustment .....
I'm done with this so go buy that POS if you want .. I've been welding all types of metals for about 30yrs ,, forgive me I know nothing
Robert, You can't argue with Event on here. He will rip you apart with knowledge. Don't come on here sounding like a know it all prick, because thats how we all think of you now.
Thank you please drive through.
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:Robert (intimidator) wrote:Just something to get you to spend your money on ,,,it is not a solid tube so it will flex more then your car . at least your car is welded together and not just put together with a couple of self tapping screws ...
just because its not a solid tube doesnt mean it will flex....
where did you get that idea?
think about ALL the applications where tubes that arent solid are used in precision applications.
4 link bars on big trucks and monster trucks
sprint cars/oval outlaws
panhard bars on cars
you dont need to a solid tube to prevent flex when you have a jam nut and a connecting piece. only way flex will occur is if you install it incorrectly and dont tighten things...
And to clarify, tubes are actually stronger than a solid bar. Pick up a long solid bar and it will flex but if you pick up a long solid tube it will flex a lot less.
Ehh, should read long tube instead of a solid tube (since there is no such thing).
When I said solid tube , I meant one piece tube .. not solid .. so really everything will be ok everybody chill .. If you dont agree with what I have to say thats fine its all ok with me ... Just remember it's all just a opinion , And we all know that most all of them stink
I think what Robert was getting at is: any system is only as good as it's strongest link. A 1 piece system (generally) has one strength. And if it's a good hard metal, all the better. With this you have at least 5 pieces to worry about which is the weakest link, and some of them are quite small (and flimsy looking).
I think what Event was getting at is: Any system (no matter how many pieces) can be properly designed to be strong, rigid, and sufficient for a particular application. This is why people become engineers.
You should both stop aurging, are're both saying almost the same thing.
Besides it's a moot point, our frames flex so very little at that point, this item is 99.9% useless.
I have one as Matt said. Does nothing but look good! but it does add alot to the rear of the interior if you are looking for show points
C.T.S wrote:I think what Robert was getting at is: any system is only as good as it's strongest link. A 1 piece system (generally) has one strength. And if it's a good hard metal, all the better. With this you have at least 5 pieces to worry about which is the weakest link, and some of them are quite small (and flimsy looking).
I think what Event was getting at is: Any system (no matter how many pieces) can be properly designed to be strong, rigid, and sufficient for a particular application. This is why people become engineers.
You should both stop aurging, are're both saying almost the same thing.
Besides it's a moot point, our frames flex so very little at that point, this item is 99.9% useless.
correct thanks 5 pieces the way they made it === well its weak
1 piece would be a stronger design
The Ferrari wrote:I have one as Matt said. Does nothing but look good! but it does add alot to the rear of the interior if you are looking for show points
I agree they are more for show
How smart would it be to build a rollcage for a race car like that ?? LOL
The Ferrari wrote:but it does add alot to the rear of the interior if you are looking for show points
Not if I'm judging... Quality, not quantity.
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