Ive heard that prokits drop uneven on specifically the 2.2L cavalier. Is there any truth to this? Has anybody experienced this uneveness? Please let me know as I am considering purchasing them
Thanx
Alright, maybe I didnt specify what kind of uneveness. It says a different drop in the front and back. Is it lower or higher in the front? Does anybody with a 2.2L have the Eibach prokits? and if so, how does your drop look.
I dont want springs that make it look like my @ss is dragging
its not uneven, its the same distance front and back.
do a search for all of the MANY is it uneven? posts.
this is pretty much explained in BIG detail
Alright cool, thanx for the response, but what about the post in the suspension sticky "Eibach Pro kit (1.4", popular choice, but watch for uneven front/rear drop on 2.2L models)"
Should I not be concerned about that statement anymore?, Meanwhile, off to the searches for the "MANY is it uneven? posts"
Thanx again
i just looked back at it and i didnt see where it says that but anyway you shouldnt have a problem. alot of times people say its uneven and they arent on level ground.
There is a great deal of debate about this. Now when you say 2.2L, I'm assuming your talking about the ecotec. If you are referring to the ecotec I will share with you my experience and you can decide for yourself. I originally had an Eibach ProKit on my 2001 Z24 (2.4L Twin Cam) and the drop was where it should be (~1.5 inches all around). The same Exact springs were put on my 2002 LS Sport (Ecotec) and I had an uneven drop. The front was dropped only 1inch while the back was nearly 2 inches. I sold the springs and they went on my friends 2003 LS Sport (Ecotec). He had same exact uneven drop (though he didn't mind it). All measurements were made on level ground in the garage of the body shop that does the work to my car. The only explanation that I can think of is that the ecotec engine is significantly lighter than the twin cam or the 2200. Though the total weights of the cars may be about the same, the front end of the Ecotec powered J's may weigh sightly less and the prokit is not being compressed as it was intended to be. Because of this the front end is being "pushed" up slightly causing the back end to "squat". Remember the prokit came out before the Ecotec was put in J's. Now my theory could be completely wrong. You may buy the kit and have no trouble with it. I do feel, however, that I should share my experience so that you can make an informed decision and possibly not waste your money on an unsatisfying drop.
Thanx baggedCav98 & Sharifs Z for your replies.
BaggedCav98 as far as where in the suspension sticky - check #12) "John Lenkos FAQ - Definitions of parts included". Its under "Who makes lowering springs for the J-Body?"
Sharifs Z, I have the 95 cavalier 2.2L or as Ive heard it been called, the 2200, not the ecotec, but as suggested by event, I took a look at some previous posts and found it suggested that the ecotec as well as my 95 2200 will experience this uneven drop due to the fact that the eibach prokits were designed with the 2.4L in mind which is I suppose a heavier engine like u stated earlier. But why wouldnt they design for the 95 2200 as well being that this engine was out before and during the time of the 2.4L? Maybe because the 2.4L is a higher performance engine?
Anyway is there anybody with a 95 or later 2200 (not the ecotec 2.2) with prokits that has a satisfying or I should say even drop? Or should I go with my second choice,
Suspension Techniques w/1.2" drop?
thats a 2.2 with the prokit
'02 2200 with the ProKit and AGX's.
with stockers
with 17" K1's
Wheel gap is almost dead even, with the front maybe 1/8" lower (loose esitmation)
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Most (99
of the poeple who report uneven drop because:
1. It's not on level ground OR
2. It hasn't settled yet. (Drive it for at least 2 weeks before you judge the drop)
Also the EcoTec 2.2 is only a few pounds lighter than the 2.4 TwinCam. The 2.3/4 really isn't that heavy of an engine, alot of aluminum in there.
At ride height to get a difference of 1/2" you would need ~250lb difference. The engine's are not that different (unless you compare a 2.4 auto to a 2.2L stick, then you may see that kind of difference).
C.T.S wrote:Most (99 of the poeple who report uneven drop because:
1. It's not on level ground OR
2. It hasn't settled yet. (Drive it for at least 2 weeks before you judge the drop)
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Or a big stereo system in the trunk
98 Cavalier RS with a 2000 2.4 swap
hey i have a question for everyone, I want to run the Prokit on my car with KYB and I am wondering if I can run a 225x45x18" tire without rubbing? Anyone done it?
And I don't mean to steal this thread or anything just curious.
ShowFire
Nick: That's a question for the Tire section, and if you had read the FAQ in that section you'd know that 225/45R18 is the correct size so you don't have any problems.
I know the correct size is the 225 40 18. But I want to go something witha lil more side wall. And since this topic is about the Prokit drop on a 2.2 i was just wondering if anyone who has read this has put a 225 45 18 on with any problems! sorry didn't mean to post it in the wrong forum
ShowFire
The section width doesn't inpact that much, so going to 45 shouldn't make it rub. It will make your tire diameter larger, meaning you'll be going faster than what the speedometer says.
thansk I was hoping someone would eb able to tell me a forsure answer but so far im outta luck. But thanks for your responses!. I don't mind about the speedo being out a lil I will just have a friend pace me and tell me how far its off,
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Thanx guys for your pics! TooHype, even though thats a ecotec it looks like a satisfying drop to me
As far as thread jacking, dont worry about it. If you can get your question answered, cool.
And C.T.S, I agree about the tranny's making a difference. Who knows what "John Lenko" was comparing when he wrote about the uneven drop in the forum.
Well, its good to know that the Eibach prokits CAN be put on a 2200 and have a good drop, but Im still undecided (mainly now being that I live in NYC worst streets ever!). But thanx again cause now I at least have info and pics
to make a decision with.
Oh, BTW C.T.S, when you said
"The 2.3/4 really isn't that heavy of an engine, alot of aluminum in there."
What engine is that? the 2200?
Hope my pictures helped .. In all honestly I live in some ruff area's and plus it's daily driven with carrying my boyz to school & day care too and work so my current drop fits me fine ... Infact ask Ryan aka DarkStars when he saw my driveway he said f*ck that I ain't going up there ... lol Molly had to be a street whore in front of my house .. But im sure she'll get picked up easily.
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There are five engines that came in the 3rd Gen J-Bodies
The 2.3L Quad4
The 2.4L TwinCam
The 2.2L
The 2200 (also 2.2L displacement)
The 2.2 EcoTec (again 2.2L displacement)
The 2.3 and 2.4 are different generations of the same egine. And the 2.2 Eco was based heavily on that same design. The 2.3 and 2.4 have many interchangable parts, and the top-end of one can be mated to the bottom-end of the other (but that a whole other forum). The 2.2 Eco doesn't have many interchanable parts with those, but the parts all look very similar. The 2.3/4 is a common designation because the engins are so similar, they are cast iron blocks with aluminum: heads, cam tunnels, intake, lots of other aluminum too.
The 2.2L and 2200 are based on the same design (also the 1.8, 2.5 and 2.9 IIRC, again a whole other topic). These are cast iron blocks with cast iron heads. Cast iron is heavier than aluminum, but there is much more aluminum in the previous engines than there is cast iron in these engines, thus there is a weigh difference (these are slightly lighter).
Confused yet?
Here's a side picture of my 95 2.2 dropped on the Eibach Pro Kit (1.4"). Tires are 205/45/17 and I've got a big stereo system in the trunk along with a nitrous bottle. Never noticed an uneven drop from it.
Hey, we're not blaming you for getting something "wrong" here. You were just one of the sources cited.
It could just as easily have said "Who knows what [insert person who has complained about uneven drop] was thinking" or "Who knows where John got his data from, he might have been repeating what someone else said".
In short, death to the messenger!
C.T.S., regarding the engines, not at all, but thanxs for clearing that up.
And Lenko, Awesome f.a.q, very helpful.
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